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  • #856
    No, my high school had a second floor, it just fell off in the earthquake. After that they kinda decided to build it out on ground level.

    (Tall buildings + Blue Clay Soil + 9.0 Earthquakes = No es bueno)
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    • #857
      Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

      I’ll let a lawyer give the official answer but if they took precautions an average person found reasonable they wouldn’t be negligent. There is only so much one can do.
      That's a terrible defense. And I don't see that as a defense for allowing a weapon loose to murder people. They supplied the gun to the shooter, who was their minor kid. Minor kids are not as responsible, or we would not call them minors. So the parents have a LOT of liability in this case.

      The fact that clear threats have come out prior to this- roughly the same time as the shooter apparently got this gun- yea- "nothing could be done" is not an excuse. The kid should not have been given a gun at all.

      Responsible parents would have gifted the gun, but have had it stored in a secure gun locker only to be used in the supervision of the parents. IMHO, for all we hear about responsible gun owners, doing that is average.

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      • #858
        Originally posted by unofan View Post

        No, but a lot of people are conditioned by every police procedural on tv to believe that lawyering up and exercising your right to remain silent are bad things.
        Given everyone's pretty obvious liability, it is the smart move. If the parents say the wrong thing, they could easily end up in jail.

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        • #859
          Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

          That's a terrible defense. And I don't see that as a defense for allowing a weapon loose to murder people. They supplied the gun to the shooter, who was their minor kid. Minor kids are not as responsible, or we would not call them minors. So the parents have a LOT of liability in this case.

          The fact that clear threats have come out prior to this- roughly the same time as the shooter apparently got this gun- yea- "nothing could be done" is not an excuse. The kid should not have been given a gun at all.

          Responsible parents would have gifted the gun, but have had it stored in a secure gun locker only to be used in the supervision of the parents. IMHO, for all we hear about responsible gun owners, doing that is average.
          Is that what happened here? If they did give him the gun obviously they would be liable but if he took it from them it’s on him.
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          • #860
            Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

            Is that what happened here? If they did give him the gun obviously they would be liable but if he took it from them it’s on him.
            No. This line is not acceptable. Lock up the parents.
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            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • #861
              Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
              Parents need to start being locked up for this ****
              Yes. Yes. Yes. yes.
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              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              • #862
                Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

                Is that what happened here? If they did give him the gun obviously they would be liable but if he took it from them it’s on him.
                If the parents can't secure their guns from their kid, then they can't keep them secure from anyone else who should not get the gun. They are liable either way.

                Because they are parents, they are double liable, since it's their kid.

                Stop making excuses in the idea that "nothing more can be done" because if that's the excuse, then it pretty much demonstrates that gun owners can't be responsible- and the 2nd amendment should be repealed.

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                • #863
                  Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                  If the parents can't secure their guns from their kid, then they can't keep them secure from anyone else who should not get the gun. They are liable either way.

                  Because they are parents, they are double liable, since it's their kid.

                  Stop making excuses in the idea that "nothing more can be done" because if that's the excuse, then it pretty much demonstrates that gun owners can't be responsible- and the 2nd amendment should be repealed.
                  They can't be responsible and it should be repealed. They've proven their irresponsibility over and over and over again.
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                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #864
                    Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

                    Is that what happened here? If they did give him the gun obviously they would be liable but if he took it from them it’s on him.
                    Bull****

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                    • #865
                      Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

                      I don’t think there is anything wrong with holding a gun owner liable if they’ve done something negligent but I doubt it happens very often. How successful are parents keeping liquor away from their kids? It’s the same idea with guns.
                      Minnesota Dram Shop laws hold parents responsible if their kids get drunk at home and drive and hurt someone. (underage of course)
                      Last edited by Handyman; 12-01-2021, 11:56 AM.
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                      • #866
                        Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

                        Is that what happened here? If they did give him the gun obviously they would be liable but if he took it from them it’s on him.
                        Plenty of responsible gun owners never have kids get access to their guns. Plenty can be done and should be required under penalty of law to be done. Gun safes exist for a reason.
                        "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                        -aparch

                        "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                        -INCH

                        Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                        • #867
                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                          Minnesota Dram Shop laws hold parents responsible if their kids get drunk at home and drive and hurt someone. (underage of course)
                          Parents, or homeowners, can be held civilly liable for damages if they either furnished the alcohol to the minor, or if they had control of the premises, were in a reasonable position to prevent the consumption of alcohol, and either knowingly or recklessly permitted the consumption and the consumption caused the intoxication of the person who drove the car.

                          A parent or guardian can be held criminally liable for furnishing or giving alcoholic beverages to a person under 21, unless it was done with the expectation that the alcohol would be consumed solely at home.
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                          • #868
                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            Minnesota Dram Shop
                            Is that a liquor store?

                            Is Minnesota still in the Elizabethan Era because if so I want to live there.
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                            • #869
                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                              Is that a liquor store?

                              Is Minnesota still in the Elizabethan Era because if so I want to live there.
                              Unfortunately we're not that kind of behind. Just the annoying kind of behind. Liquor laws are puritanical around here.
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                              • #870
                                Originally posted by state of hockey View Post

                                Unfortunately we're not that kind of behind. Just the annoying kind of behind. Liquor laws are puritanical around here.
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