The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

[Kepler]

By that reasoning, isn't my entire digestive tract another person that runs from my mouth to my butthole? (Sorry, I know by saying "mouth to butthole" I've summoned Jeb's mom.)

I love the fact that evo-devo considers humans to just be digestive tracts that threw a bunch of after-market gimmicks on to improve the hunt for food (legs, hands, cerebral cortex) and to reproduce. Really puts us in our correct biological context.

[French Rage]

I love the fact that evo-devo considers humans to just be digestive tracts that threw a bunch of after-market gimmicks on to improve the hunt for food (legs, hands, cerebral cortex) and to reproduce. Really puts us in our correct biological context.

I mean that isn't technically incorrect. The whole point of existence is being the best at feeding and ****ing.

[Handyman]

His argument is because there is a diffusion membrane between the mother's body and the placenta that it counts as two separate people. By that reasoning, isn't my entire digestive tract another person that runs from my mouth to my butthole? (Sorry, I know by saying "mouth to butthole" I've summoned Jeb's mom.)

There was a response that said something to the effect of "if you had kept reading wikipedia past the part you plagiarized you would see that there is more to it than that" and then posted the next section which made his whole argument look even worse.

[Kepler]

I mean that isn't technically incorrect. The whole point of existence is being the best at feeding and ****ing.

"All it does is swim, and eat, and make little sharks."

[French Rage]

There was a response that said something to the effect of "if you had kept reading wikipedia past the part you plagiarized you would see that there is more to it than that" and then posted the next section which made his whole argument look even worse.

Yeah for the record I'm not saying his argument was even correct in the first place. It's been 25 years since high school biology, and I do not intend to pass laws restricting people based on however incomplete my knowledge is.

[dxmnkd316]

His argument is because there is a diffusion membrane between the mother's body and the placenta that it counts as two separate people. By that reasoning, isn't my entire digestive tract another person that runs from my mouth to my butthole? (Sorry, I know by saying "mouth to butthole" I've summoned Jeb's mom.)

You owe me a coffee.

[Kepler]

So, I'm experimenting with a way to try to trace political stances back to values, potentially as a way to get people who disagree to have a common rational ground of discourse.

The idea (still murky) is like diagramming a sentence. Start with the end point: what a concrete policy (P) you support. Then trace back through direct linage to the assertions (A) you hold about facts, and eventually terminate back in your values (V) which are free-standing. Ideally, we would all ground back in the same essential democratic republican (small d, small r) values:

V1: equality before the law is preferred
V2: equality of opportunity is preferred
V3: freedom of conscience is preferred
V4: freedom from coercion is preferred


So, for example, my chain to support my position on abortion:

P1: the right to abortion should be protected
A1: reproductive rights should be protected
A2: bodily autonomy is preferred
V4: freedom from coercion is preferred

Maybe doing something like this can draw the toxicity out of the argument. Maybe it can locate exactly where disagreements are, allowing progress and even compromise. Arguments would then be about the validity of assertions, or challenging the connection between steps.

Obviously this only works with sincere interlocutors. You could not do this analysis with an Alex Jones, say, let alone a Dump.

[Handyman]

You cant do it it with abortion in general because of the God factor...but otherwise it is a good idea.

[leswp1]

Holy Hannah. I read that tweet and wanted to bleach my brain. My immediate thought- I would like to see that a55hole try to tell a woman who feeling overly pregnant that the fetus is 'floating' in the womb. Pretty sure a few I knew would have reached down his throat, bypassed his tonsils and ripped his balls out from the inside. This must be a direct result of banning actual health class that explains reproduction.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

If this guy didn’t have kids, I’d suspect he doesn’t even Know which hole to put it into

[Swansong]

I absolutely love that he doubled down on that too. He's like... the entire MAGA pathos distilled into one execrable piece of garbage.

[Kepler]

If this guy didn’t have kids, I’d suspect he doesn’t even Know which hole to put it into

I'm starting to think conservatives are the children born when you put it in the stink. It would explain a lot.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Not mature enough to have an abortion so let’s force her to have the baby

her fault for having sex

https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/15...vaXmEMRvilkR7w

[WeAreNDHockey]

Not mature enough to have an abortion so let’s force her to have the baby

her fault for having sex

https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/15...vaXmEMRvilkR7w

At best if things continue like they have been trending in this country for 30 years now we will be Afghanistan in another 30 years. At best.

[ScoobyDoo]

Not mature enough to have an abortion so let’s force her to have the baby

her fault for having sex

https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/15...vaXmEMRvilkR7w

The same logic has been applied to the AR-15.