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  • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
    Keep digging.

    I’m hoping for an explanation of how the birthing process established paternity before there was DNA testing. And I’ll be extra entertained if you can tap dance enough do it without saying that they wanted to see if that white woman had a black baby.

    Ok, at the risk of getting piled on by the scientists around here, this is my understanding.

    The DNA testing for paternity purposes has really only been around, and commonly used, for about 30 years. My guess is most of these laws were put in place long before that.

    Before DNA testing, again as I understand it, the only type of paternity testing used for many years was blood tests. But the blood tests didn't establish paternity, they just excluded a person.

    So that created an issue as to who has the burden of proof in establishing paternity over a child. I think that most legislatures passed laws that said that children born during the course of a marriage were presumed to be the child of the husband in that marriage. In other words, he was stuck unless he could prove otherwise if he didn't think the child was his.

    However, in a non-marriage situation, I think the burden was then on the mother to establish paternity.

    Hence, some states (apparently) decided that in order to fit within those laws, they would not finalize a divorce until the child was born, basically establishing paternity with the husband. There may even be a reason tied to application of that presumption if the husband were to move to another state, for instance (say a state where the presumption is paternity if the child is born during wedlock, but no presumption if born outside of wedlock).

    I have no real idea as to the legislative history of the statutes in question, but I am pretty confident that they really don't have anything to do with trying to hold up a divorce, but more to do with establishing support obligations.

    And, as others have said, my posts are not intended to endorse these laws, no matter how old. It seems to me that with DNA testing that we have now, many of those old laws are probably outdated.
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    • Harbaugh jumping on the Birk train

      https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/s...gubDp9vdTe-6-g

      this reply is everything

      https://twitter.com/zuchons/status/1...gubDp9vdTe-6-g

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      • Just once I'd like to hear about one of these "Pro Life" groups actually practicing what they preach. Just once.
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        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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        • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
          This can’t be said enough, but- **** Matt birk

          https://twitter.com/heartlandsignal/...7xxnb4P3o8ZCxA
          Didn't Birk's wife have an abortion before they were married? Not that it precludes him from his opinion but I wonder where they fit that into the narrative.

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          • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

            Didn't Birk's wife have an abortion before they were married? Not that it precludes him from his opinion but I wonder where they fit that into the narrative.
            Not that I’m aware of

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            • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
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              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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              • Mother hood is beautiful!

                too bad he won’t actually support mothers in the ways they need.

                His caveman resemblance is real strong here. And props for using the word “savage” when talking about our Lt Gov

                https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...pZNrf-EV9sXMOg

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                • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                  too bad he won’t actually support mothers in the ways they need.
                  We need more of this: https://www.marysshelter.org/
                  The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

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                  • 187 republicans voted against the access to contraception bill.

                    lol

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                    • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                      187 republicans voted against the access to contraception bill.

                      lol
                      Are they using Rubio's ridiculous logic of "I don't care, so I say no"?

                      I love that Rubio gave Democrats that sound byte. "Republicans don't care about you, so much so that they won't let you get married." I'm not convinced it will help, but...
                      I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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                      • Originally posted by Swansong View Post

                        Are they using Rubio's ridiculous logic of "I don't care, so I say no"?

                        I love that Rubio gave Democrats that sound byte. "Republicans don't care about you, so much so that they won't let you get married." I'm not convinced it will help, but...
                        That's not just Rubio's logic. That's Republican logic. On nearly every issue.
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                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                        • Because it's "not something that needs to be law, it's settled." Until they create the law against it.
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                          • Originally posted by aparch View Post
                            Because it's "not something that needs to be law, it's settled." Until they create the law against it.
                            Exactly. Roe was settled - according to the people that then decided it wasn't.
                            I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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                            • Originally posted by Swansong View Post
                              Are they using Rubio's ridiculous logic of "I don't care, so I say no"?
                              It's SOP in ND elections.
                              If you get an initiated measure on the ballot make sure the wording is such that what you really want comes if "No" takes the day.
                              The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

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                              • Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post

                                It's SOP in ND elections.
                                If you get an initiated measure on the ballot make sure the wording is such that what you really want comes if "No" takes the day.
                                OR too. We had 40 ballot measures one year. People get tired of it and just vote No.
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