The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

[The Sicatoka]

Again, the Mississippi law in question bans after 15 weeks.

Mississippi and all its redneck, bible-thumpin' stereotypes, at 15 weeks, would be less restrictive than most of Europe (12 weeks). <-- That's not an argument; that's the data. It may cause cognitive dissonance.

[Swansong]

So you're going with the Chewbacca Defense, then?

[The Sicatoka]

So you're going with the Chewbacca Defense, then?

No (I quoted facts), ... but it appears you just did.

[Swansong]

So, again, I'll what that has to do with the the discussion at hand? The timing isn't at debate. The very existence of a a civil right is at debate. But you know this, of course. It would be easier if you'd be honest about it.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

He never engages whenever someone calls him out on his rampant hypocrisy- he always disappears- give him the same treatment

[unofan]

Again, the Mississippi law in question bans after 15 weeks.

Mississippi and all its redneck, bible-thumpin' stereotypes, at 15 weeks, would be less restrictive than most of Europe (12 weeks). <-- That's not an argument; that's the data. It may cause cognitive dissonance.

Hey asshat, you do know Mississippi also has a trigger law that bans all abortions once Roe is struck down, right? And that the 15- week law was just a front to get in front of the Court?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I pray for a day where men can experience what it feels like to have women make every decision for your body.

nothing dumber on the planet than a republican

https://twitter.com/cakitchener/stat...JfvxuHis5In0Uw

[Handyman]

I pray for a day where men can experience what it feels like to have women make every decision for your body.

nothing dumber on the planet than a republican

https://twitter.com/cakitchener/stat...JfvxuHis5In0Uw

I mean not many decisions to make but...Gopher it ;^)

[busterman62]

I pray for a day where men can experience what it feels like to have women make every decision for your body.

It's called a wedding day

[Kepler]

If you quote the derp you ride with Hitler.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

If you quote the derp you ride with Hitler.

I can’t remember if that one is just a ***** or a derp. Probably a derp with a tiny *****

[Kepler]

I can’t remember if that one is just a ***** or a derp. Probably a derp with a tiny *****

Typically a package deal.

[leswp1]

Sorry Kep! I whited it out

Again, the Mississippi law in question bans after 15 weeks.

Mississippi and all its redneck, bible-thumpin' stereotypes, at 15 weeks, would be less restrictive than most of Europe (12 weeks). <-- That's not an argument; that's the data. It may cause cognitive dissonance.

Arguing anything using the rest of the developed world is not relevant. The rest of the developed world has
-sex ed usually from preschool age all the way thru older grades- age appropriate, covers more than the mechanics of put tab A in slot B. This is normal. No one gets upset or opts out.
-free and accessible birth control
-early and free access to medical care if decisions need to be made about a pregnancy
-free prenatal medical care
-sick leave if the woman has medical issues that precludes work
-free healthcare for children
-early child ed, available daycare
- More social net things in place that are too numerous to list.
-Their rates of unintended pregnancy are considerable lower than ours because they are more educated, prepared and have more resources. If they do get pregnant they have the resources to make waiting to later than 12 weeks less likely to begin with. (Also pretty sure this is not a blanket ban- the provider makes final decision. No one would consider telling a woman she should die rather than have medical intervention. They have common sense that is uncommon here)

Our country-
-abysmal sex ed, none at all, people that need it most can opt out.
-access to birth control is actively being reduced. It is costly. If woman has insurance, the insurance can opt out of covering it.
-lack of facilities and Providers to provide care (many have to travel greater than an hour) for GYN, OB, Pedi care
-no reliable coverage/limited or capped coverage for medical costs for pregnant woman, child
-no coverage of sick time if the woman is put on medical leave
-no standard parental leave- if PT worker- no paid leave.
-lack of daycare facilities, no consistent early ed unless you are able to pay privately
- lack of programs to help provide for good nutrition
-Women in this country may not have the ability to access care in a timely manner which increases the risk of needing intervention later than 12 weeks

** Bonus- we have folks actively creating legislation that is not medically sound, not based in science or reality. It can be argued that if one follows the letter of the law you could be sued for malpractice and negligence because the law forbids standard care with no defendable reason.

This country is fvcked up. We have a very small percentage of pro-birth people that have little if any knowledge of the implications of what they are legislating but have managed to leverage the ability to pass laws that the majority of citizens are violently opposed to. They claim to care about life but they only want the fetus incubated. Once it comes out then they revert to passing judgement on women who have babies they can't afford or care for and continue to block any sort of program that would assist in making sure the baby was set up for success.

Worked Family Practice for just under 30yrs. Birth to death, OB care. The sight of these a55hats blathering on about being 'pro-life' make me want to puke. They are the same dick heads who are shutting down Medical clinics that provide birth control, healthcare, supporting the non-coverage of birth control, cutting programs that support children, education, nutrition, etc. I really wish Karma would do her job.

(no strong feelings here...)

[psych]

Sorry Kep! I whited it out



Arguing anything using the rest of the developed world is not relevant. The rest of the developed world has
-sex ed usually from preschool age all the way thru older grades- age appropriate, covers more than the mechanics of put tab A in slot B. This is normal. No one gets upset or opts out.
-free and accessible birth control
-early and free access to medical care if decisions need to be made about a pregnancy
-free prenatal medical care
-sick leave if the woman has medical issues that precludes work
-free healthcare for children
-early child ed, available daycare
- More social net things in place that are too numerous to list.
-Their rates of unintended pregnancy are considerable lower than ours because they are more educated, prepared and have more resources. If they do get pregnant they have the resources to make waiting to later than 12 weeks less likely to begin with. (Also pretty sure this is not a blanket ban- the provider makes final decision. No one would consider telling a woman she should die rather than have medical intervention. They have common sense that is uncommon here)

Our country-
-abysmal sex ed, none at all, people that need it most can opt out.
-access to birth control is actively being reduced. It is costly. If woman has insurance, the insurance can opt out of covering it.
-lack of facilities and Providers to provide care (many have to travel greater than an hour) for GYN, OB, Pedi care
-no reliable coverage/limited or capped coverage for medical costs for pregnant woman, child
-no coverage of sick time if the woman is put on medical leave
-no standard parental leave- if PT worker- no paid leave.
-lack of daycare facilities, no consistent early ed unless you are able to pay privately
- lack of programs to help provide for good nutrition
-Women in this country may not have the ability to access care in a timely manner which increases the risk of needing intervention later than 12 weeks

** Bonus- we have folks actively creating legislation that is not medically sound, not based in science or reality. It can be argued that if one follows the letter of the law you could be sued for malpractice and negligence because the law forbids standard care with no defendable reason.

This country is fvcked up. We have a very small percentage of pro-birth people that have little if any knowledge of the implications of what they are legislating but have managed to leverage the ability to pass laws that the majority of citizens are violently opposed to. They claim to care about life but they only want the fetus incubated. Once it comes out then they revert to passing judgement on women who have babies they can't afford or care for and continue to block any sort of program that would assist in making sure the baby was set up for success.

Worked Family Practice for just under 30yrs. Birth to death, OB care. The sight of these a55hats blathering on about being 'pro-life' make me want to puke. They are the same dick heads who are shutting down Medical clinics that provide birth control, healthcare, supporting the non-coverage of birth control, cutting programs that support children, education, nutrition, etc. I really wish Karma would do her job.

(no strong feelings here...)

I’m with her.

[dxmnkd316]

Sorry Kep! I whited it out



Arguing anything using the rest of the developed world is not relevant. The rest of the developed world has
-sex ed usually from preschool age all the way thru older grades- age appropriate, covers more than the mechanics of put tab A in slot B. This is normal. No one gets upset or opts out.
-free and accessible birth control
-early and free access to medical care if decisions need to be made about a pregnancy
-free prenatal medical care
-sick leave if the woman has medical issues that precludes work
-free healthcare for children
-early child ed, available daycare
- More social net things in place that are too numerous to list.
-Their rates of unintended pregnancy are considerable lower than ours because they are more educated, prepared and have more resources. If they do get pregnant they have the resources to make waiting to later than 12 weeks less likely to begin with. (Also pretty sure this is not a blanket ban- the provider makes final decision. No one would consider telling a woman she should die rather than have medical intervention. They have common sense that is uncommon here)

Our country-
-abysmal sex ed, none at all, people that need it most can opt out.
-access to birth control is actively being reduced. It is costly. If woman has insurance, the insurance can opt out of covering it.
-lack of facilities and Providers to provide care (many have to travel greater than an hour) for GYN, OB, Pedi care
-no reliable coverage/limited or capped coverage for medical costs for pregnant woman, child
-no coverage of sick time if the woman is put on medical leave
-no standard parental leave- if PT worker- no paid leave.
-lack of daycare facilities, no consistent early ed unless you are able to pay privately
- lack of programs to help provide for good nutrition
-Women in this country may not have the ability to access care in a timely manner which increases the risk of needing intervention later than 12 weeks

** Bonus- we have folks actively creating legislation that is not medically sound, not based in science or reality. It can be argued that if one follows the letter of the law you could be sued for malpractice and negligence because the law forbids standard care with no defendable reason.

This country is fvcked up. We have a very small percentage of pro-birth people that have little if any knowledge of the implications of what they are legislating but have managed to leverage the ability to pass laws that the majority of citizens are violently opposed to. They claim to care about life but they only want the fetus incubated. Once it comes out then they revert to passing judgement on women who have babies they can't afford or care for and continue to block any sort of program that would assist in making sure the baby was set up for success.

Worked Family Practice for just under 30yrs. Birth to death, OB care. The sight of these a55hats blathering on about being 'pro-life' make me want to puke. They are the same dick heads who are shutting down Medical clinics that provide birth control, healthcare, supporting the non-coverage of birth control, cutting programs that support children, education, nutrition, etc. I really wish Karma would do her job.

(no strong feelings here...)

Hell yeah sister