117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[Slap Shot]

10% is going to happen before the decade is up, and within the next 5 years in countries far more forward thinking than the U.S.

[Kepler]

Ending partisan gerrymandering would be huge. I’m sure Abrams would cede a lot more than just voter ID to make that happen. But, in the meantime, Democrats will give up the goods without question. I’m just certain Republicans will do the same.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...ng-wars-495303

The only way for Dems to do this is to put non-partisan boards in place and not use them until everybody does.

Fight fire with fire, it's the only way to force the Nazis to the bargaining table.

[Handyman]

10% is going to happen before the decade is up, and within the next 5 years in countries far more forward thinking than the U.S.

This.

[Kepler]

As a retail/service person with grad student loans... a bunch of are going to skip complaining and go straight to the revolution part.

"When you shut off every non-violent form of change, the only thing left is violence."

If the Nazis manage to destroy democracy and end legitimate elections the response is going to make these look like summer camp.

The poor will of course lose in the long run, but in the short run they might actually murder most of the rich. All they really need is every gas station. Then -- no escape, and they can take their time and enjoy it.

[BassAle]

Well unless I am reading it wrong Fade's comment seems to track with the idea that we will hit that percentage earlier than 2035 which is exactly what Sicatoka is betting when he bets the "under".

FWIW I would HAMMER the under. Hell I got like 5 Tesla's in my neighborhood alone and we are not a very affluent suburb. (we might have a couple Volts too) Hell if COVID hadn't hit I was well on my way to purchasing one this year and I aint exactly chilling in Edina ;^) The cost is dropping and barring long road trips I don't need massive mileage capacity anyways. Even the "cheap" end Tesla's have more than enough battery capacity for me.

yeah, I see Teslas all the time now.

I'm really leaning towards a Model Y for our next car, just because the Tesla charging network is so much better than the alternatives right now. In 10 years, that won't matter though.

I can't get rid of my dinosaur guts burning Tacoma Truck for a while though -- we have a camp with no electricity and that's hundreds of miles from the nearest L2/L3 EV charging facility... but I'm sure some day I'll be exploring the backwoods in an EV.

[aparch]

It'll be curious to see how that would work. Especially for drivers who cross state lines frequently. Or infrequently for that matter. I suppose it would be no different than income taxes. Report how much time you spent in the various states just like income.

Eh. We've got time

Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I want to enjoy my paid off Subaru for a few years while I wait for more choices. I’d go with a Tesla but curious to see what Volvo, etc continue to develop over next few years

[Drew S.]

Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?

I think taxing the electricity would make a lot more sense. It’s easier to administer and you wouldn’t have the privacy concerns.

[dxmnkd316]

Well unless I am reading it wrong Fade's comment seems to track with the idea that we will hit that percentage earlier than 2035 which is exactly what Sicatoka is betting when he bets the "under".

FWIW I would HAMMER the under. Hell I got like 5 Tesla's in my neighborhood alone and we are not a very affluent suburb. (we might have a couple Volts too) Hell if COVID hadn't hit I was well on my way to purchasing one this year and I aint exactly chilling in Edina ;^) The cost is dropping and barring long road trips I don't need massive mileage capacity anyways. Even the "cheap" end Tesla's have more than enough battery capacity for me.

Ah, I read it as taking the under on 10%. My mistake.

[dxmnkd316]

Some states are kicking around mileage based taxes in lieu of gas taxes. I believe Oregon and Colorado have pilot programs and Illinois floated the idea before it got shot down faster than a frat boy in Wigleyville.

If I remember correctly, all the plans adopted a flat "here's the yearly fee, unless you can prove with receipts and mileage that you didn't travel that far," with some trialing a GPS for exact mileage and use.


Interstate travel will be the second biggest hangup, not that people didn't buy gas in cheaper states if they lived nearby already. The first biggest trick will be getting people to accept having GPS tattle-tales that log their mileage.



Realistically, raising the yearly license plate registration fees will likely be the first step. ICE vehicles could become 400, 500, or more per year. Electric would follow suit (with a slight "savings" for those who adopt Electric over ICE).

But then we'll hear foul from those who feel that a yearly "tax" on the poor is over the incremental costs that the current fuel tax is.

Maybe we just need to go to a quarterly or monthly payment plan for vehicles?

The other, probably better, option I hadn't thought of was just ignoring out of state travel. Simpler for sure. Just tax accordingly.

I don't feel like the rigmarole of calculating and reporting state-based mileage is worth it. Too complex, prone to errors and fraud. I also hate the idea of gps and do t think that would fly.

Either tax mileage based primary residence or factor it based on state tax returns. If you're so inclined to keep the usage model.

because of course, the far superior model is to just tax income and not usage. Just because worker bee drives his car on the road doesn't mean Queen Beezos doesn't make money on that usage as well.

[unofan]

The other, probably better, option I hadn't thought of was just ignoring out of state travel. Simpler for sure. Just tax accordingly.

I don't feel like the rigmarole of calculating and reporting state-based mileage is worth it. Too complex, prone to errors and fraud. I also hate the idea of gps and do t think that would fly.

Either tax mileage based primary residence or factor it based on state tax returns. If you're so inclined to keep the usage model.

because of course, the far superior model is to just tax income and not usage. Just because worker bee drives his car on the road doesn't mean Queen Beezos doesn't make money on that usage as well.

There's something to be said for sin taxes and user fees just to reduce tragedy of the commons problems. Yes, those are regressive in nature but I can't say I'm 100% against them at all times and at all levels.

[aparch]

Manchin just announced that he'll break filibuster and allow discussion on voting rights bill.

No word on *actually* busting the filibuster though.

[MissThundercat]

"When you shut off every non-violent form of change, the only thing left is violence."

If the Nazis manage to destroy democracy and end legitimate elections the response is going to make these look like summer camp.

The poor will of course lose in the long run, but in the sort run they might actually murder most of the rich. All they really need is every gas station. Then -- no escape, and they can take their time and enjoy it.

If I remember correctly, the French Revolution didn't last very long because Robespierre was kind of a dick, and the surviving wealthy got help from their friends in neighboring countries. And the Counter Revolution was hella brutal and severe, leading to Robespierre's execution.

[Kepler]

Manchin just announced that he'll break filibuster and allow discussion on voting rights bill.

Everything I see is that he will vote with the Dems, but he will not "break filibuster." So this is nothing. The Nazis still shoot it down.

[rufus]

Manchin just announced that he'll break filibuster and allow discussion on voting rights bill.

No word on *actually* busting the filibuster though.

Is that the mirror of the Suzie Collins Cycle?