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  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

    It isn't great. Certainly behind the scenes. Certainly make life difficult for him in the caucus. But not in front of the rubes.

    Unless it's 4D chess and this is how we are going to hold on to our red state Members. "Yeah, I'll vote for Joe again, he really owns the libs!"
    Sorry but to quote what you always say...time to put them on the record. Manchin is out in front spitting on half the stuff the Dems want, well then he has to take the wrath that comes. This is no different than when AOC holds the moderate wing's feet to the fire on issues. (like she has been about student debt forgiveness since Biden said he is against it) You have to fight, and you have to do it publicly if they are openly defiant. That is how the rubes know you mean business.

    I would agree with you if Manchin wasnt so out front and vocal about his oppositions. But if he is going to go on the cable news shows and bloviate then we need to fight fire with fire.
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    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

      Indian giver.
      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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      • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
        Very fair criticism. I like how aoc went after Biden today on teen migrant camps. Not ok for Trump, also not ok for Biden.
        I did not like how AOC equated providing apartments to UNACCOMPANIED MINOR IMMIGRANTS, to taking babies away from their parents and locking them in cages. It’s not the same, and making that claim is not worth a clickbait tweet for cheap points.
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        • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

          Sorry but to quote what you always say...time to put them on the record. Manchin is out in front spitting on half the stuff the Dems want, well then he has to take the wrath that comes. This is no different than when AOC holds the moderate wing's feet to the fire on issues. (like she has been about student debt forgiveness since Biden said he is against it) You have to fight, and you have to do it publicly if they are openly defiant. That is how the rubes know you mean business.

          I would agree with you if Manchin wasnt so out front and vocal about his oppositions. But if he is going to go on the cable news shows and bloviate then we need to fight fire with fire.
          I can see your point too.

          I'm not sure what the best way to handle it is, honestly.
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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

            I can see your point too.

            I'm not sure what the best way to handle it is, honestly.
            Just an observation...it’s interesting Collins is attacked so relentlessly by the Dems but Republicans hardly ever attack Manchin(unless I’m missing something). For me one strategy is likely to be a lot more successful than the other.
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            • Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

              Just an observation...it’s interesting Collins is attacked so relentlessly by the Dems but Republicans hardly ever attack Manchin(unless I’m missing something). For me one strategy is likely to be a lot more successful than the other.
              That is an interesting observation.
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              • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                Sorry but to quote what you always say...time to put them on the record. Manchin is out in front spitting on half the stuff the Dems want, well then he has to take the wrath that comes. This is no different than when AOC holds the moderate wing's feet to the fire on issues. (like she has been about student debt forgiveness since Biden said he is against it) You have to fight, and you have to do it publicly if they are openly defiant. That is how the rubes know you mean business.

                I would agree with you if Manchin wasnt so out front and vocal about his oppositions. But if he is going to go on the cable news shows and bloviate then we need to fight fire with fire.
                Biden isn’t against student debt forgiveness. He’s just against cancelling $50,000 worth of it. He said he’s on board with $10,000, but wants to see if Congress can pass it first. Since we all know they won’t, unless that somehow can be included in a budget reconciliation bill, it may be the end of the year before we see him potentially take any action. Maybe even longer. It definitely doesn’t seem like as high of a priority to Biden as other issues.

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                • Originally posted by psych View Post

                  Biden isn’t against student debt forgiveness. He’s just against cancelling $50,000 worth of it. He said he’s on board with $10,000, but wants to see if Congress can pass it first. Since we all know they won’t, unless that somehow can be included in a budget reconciliation bill, it may be the end of the year before we see him potentially take any action. Maybe even longer. It definitely doesn’t seem like as high of a priority to Biden as other issues.
                  I had one of the Trump Socialist Morons on Facebook say that he'd rather they cancel medical debt than student debt. Seemed to indicate that student debt is fucking voluntary. To an extent, yes. But, then again, in some cases medical debt is voluntary. Every can do a better job to be healthy and our food supply has some fucking really intense issues around that. The Sugar Lobby for example.

                  I'm all for cancelling both of them to be honest. We need to enable people to be able to work, get jobs, and spend money for the economy and the anchors of student debt and medical debt are fucking us in the ***.
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                  • I aspire to be this level of petty.

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                    • Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
                      I aspire to be this level of petty.

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                      • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post

                        I had one of the Trump Socialist Morons on Facebook say that he'd rather they cancel medical debt than student debt. Seemed to indicate that student debt is ****ing voluntary. To an extent, yes. But, then again, in some cases medical debt is voluntary. Every can do a better job to be healthy and our food supply has some ****ing really intense issues around that. The Sugar Lobby for example.

                        I'm all for cancelling both of them to be honest. We need to enable people to be able to work, get jobs, and spend money for the economy and the anchors of student debt and medical debt are ****ing us in the ***.
                        I’m shocked a Trump supporter advocated cancelling any kind of debt, seeing as that balloons the deficit or something, something...
                        I agree with your last paragraph, including on using two l’s in the word* cancelling.

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                          • Originally posted by psych View Post

                            I’m shocked a Trump supporter advocated cancelling any kind of debt, seeing as that balloons the deficit or something, something...
                            I agree with your last paragraph, including on using two l’s in the word* cancelling.
                            Not saying this in a mean way but I don’t think you understand Trump supporters very well. They definitely want to have their cake and eat it too.
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                            • Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post

                              MTG responded with a transphobic move.

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                              • Originally posted by psych View Post

                                I’m shocked a Trump supporter advocated cancelling any kind of debt, seeing as that balloons the deficit or something, something...
                                I agree with your last paragraph, including on using two l’s in the word* cancelling.
                                Yeah, I think he was trying to get an argument started by complaining about what Biden is doing by offering what he considers a better alternative that his party won't support anyway.

                                It's the old bait, switch, and then kill that Turtle Boy uses all the time.
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