117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[Kepler]

It seems to me that if you aren’t 100% on board with the Democrats entire agenda you’re not welcome. Maybe that isn’t entirely fair but perception is reality.

Upholding Democracy is much more important to me than anything else so I’m on board with them for the foreseeable future.

No. Everybody who wants to fight Nazis is welcome. Liz ****ing Cheney is welcome. We allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler FFS.

Perception isn't reality, that's just a pithy Marshall McLuhan slogan that sounds deep but is actually just a commonplace dressed up to appear transgressive. Perception is a social fact: we have to deal with the misperceptions of idiots, and the deliberate lies of operatives preying on idiots. Misperception has consequences, even if it relies on hidden assumptions with no basis in reality (c.f., all of American conservatism since about 1957). But lies are still lies; it doesn't matter how many times they are repeated or how many people believe them.

[Kepler]

Or culture wars really drive some people.

I know a gay person who voted for trump because the white superiority is more important than gay rights

That's... wow.

I know there were Jews who collaborated with the Nazis but I don't know of any Jews who were actually balls out sincere advocates of Nazism. "OK, they're not so good on us, but they're really gonna stick it to those dirty Slavs!"

[psych]

It seems to me that if you aren’t 100% on board with the Democrats entire agenda you’re not welcome. Maybe that isn’t entirely fair but perception is reality.

Upholding Democracy is much more important to me than anything else so I’m on board with them for the foreseeable future.

How can a party with +90% of its voter base made up of white people be the ‘bigger tent’ party?
Based on your past votes, minus the one for Biden, upholding democracy seems far from your mind. Any vote for the GOP at this point is as good as voting for subverting democracy. Perception is reality, as you say...

[ScoobyDoo]

Or culture wars really drive some people.

I know a gay person who voted for trump because the white superiority is more important than gay rights

This is more common than you think. The Nazi Party has it's 3 culture war pillar (gays, god, guns) and the voters on those issues are very loyal and intractable. Your example is a perfect reflection of that. Biggest one is abortion. Someone who is against abortion will automatically vote Republican. Period.

[Slap Shot]

The Republican tent going back to Reagan has included the nothing more than the 1%, yet so ****ing idiots election after election fall for it every single time. In no particular order until any of the 3 are significantly curtailed the lower and middle class will continue to fall back:

-Citizens United
-Lobby industry
-Deregulation

Abject racism doesn't help but I don't think we can legislate that out of the equation.

[Drew S.]

This is more common than you think. The Nazi Party has it's 3 culture war pillar (gays, god, guns) and the voters on those issues are very loyal and intractable. Your example is a perfect reflection of that. Biggest one is abortion. Someone who is against abortion will automatically vote Republican. Period.

Strongly agree. I don’t think abortion is a hill worth dying on for the Democrats but I’m also not a woman.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Strongly agree. I don’t think abortion is a hill worth dying on for the Democrats but I’m also not a woman.

Yeah. Try not having autonomy over your body.
But I get it. I can’t think of a dumber hill to die on than guns

[psych]

Strongly agree. I don’t think abortion is a hill worth dying on for the Democrats but I’m also not a woman.

I guess this explains why 6/10 women voted for Biden...including what, 9/10 black women? Bigger tent party...lol.

[psych]

Yeah. Try not having autonomy over your body.
But I get it. I can’t think of a dumber hill to die on than guns

Look, we all know guns have had more rights than women, especially black women, since the founding of this country. They need a bigger tent to fit all the guns and ammunition, while they shoot out of it at the rest of us.

[Kepler]

Strongly agree. I don’t think abortion is a hill worth dying on for the Democrats but I’m also not a woman.

Other than democracy itself, it's the hill worth dying on.

Women without choice are slaves.

[Drew S.]

Yeah. Try not having autonomy over your body.
But I get it. I can’t think of a dumber hill to die on than guns

Yeah, agree that democrats have blown it on guns. I think at times they’ve tried to engage with gun owners but it never comes across very authentic. Any gun owner with a brain is stuck with them now due to how bad the Republicans are.

[Kepler]

Any gun owner with a brain

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Yeah, agree that democrats have blown it on guns. I think at times they’ve tried to engage with gun owners but it never comes across very authentic. Any gun owner with a brain is stuck with them now due to how bad the Republicans are.

I meant that morons who vote against all self interest except when it comes to guns. Like a bunch of people who vote R.

[rufus]

Yeah, agree that democrats have blown it on guns. I think at times they’ve tried to engage with gun owners but it never comes across very authentic. Any gun owner with a brain is stuck with them now due to how bad the Republicans are.

And tell us again how someone so mentally incapacitated that they can't manage their own finances should be allowed to own a gun.

We tried to engage you for weeks on that, and you weren't having it at all. You couldn't even grasp the concept of what people were telling you, you made it into something entirely different, just cause it suited your view to do so. that view being, 2A says I can own guns, period.

[Handyman]

That's... wow.

I know there were Jews who collaborated with the Nazis but I don't know of any Jews who were actually balls out sincere advocates of Nazism. "OK, they're not so good on us, but they're really gonna stick it to those dirty Slavs!"

I know of a Black Gay Man who is a full on Trump lover. He is good friends with one of my closest friends. Some people you just can't reach...