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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Does SpaceX have an endless blank check to justify the claim they have no incentives to not eff this up on an ongoing basis?

    Don't reply to my post as if I'm a Musk fanboy. He can eat a bag of dicks.
    85% of their income comes from the US government. So yes.

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  • Slap Shot
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    Does SpaceX have an endless blank check to justify the claim they have no incentives to not eff this up on an ongoing basis?

    Don't reply to my post as if I'm a Musk fanboy. He can eat a bag of dicks.

    Last edited by Slap Shot; 04-21-2023, 03:46 PM.

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  • Handyman
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    Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post

    I sincerely doubt that internally they don't see it as a failure and I don't feel the need to freak out over their subterfuge.

    Also this program isn't at the Apollo stage so again...

    dx - it was unmanned. Again SpaceX has a history prior to this launch and I believe a wait and see response isn't unwarranted.
    Sorry but this is just wrong. The failures of the Mercury and Gemini missions were because the space program was in its infant stages. As dx said they were learning (pun partially intended) on the fly. There was no precedent set it was brand new technologies and no one had any idea what would work or how. The margin for error was greater because there were so many unknown variables due to us not knowing anything! (and btw those failures were ripped to shreds)

    SpaceX has had positive outcomes, but that doesn't excuse how badly this went especially knowing what we know. It is one thing to fail because you are learning, that is part of the process. It is another to fail because you ignore basic math, physics and well just history in an effort to try and accomplish something that you aren't prepared for. Everything that was needed for this to go better was possible. There was no missing knowledge, some variable they couldn't have known, they knew and ignored safety protocols in an effort to make a splash. If NASA had done this they would be called in front of Congress and destroyed (we know this cause it has happened) and the media would be eating them alive. But because people believe SpaceX is some benevolent company looking to help people (it is not) they are largely buying the propaganda. It is disgusting, and the fact that they screwed up this badly causing environmental harm (so much for saving the Earth) proves that companies like SpaceX should not be allowed to handle this type of work. They have zero incentive to do things the right way.

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  • Handyman
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

    I want responsible space tech. Not this libertarian disaster with no engineering controls whatsoever. No, I won't celebrate this as even a minor success. The more I read the more there is to hate about everything this company. They don't give a ****. Not one. This is going to get people killed in the air and on the ground.
    This. If he wants to fly himself to space fine, let the actual geniuses and people who know how to not run a company or project into the ground handle stuff like this.

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  • MichVandal
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Maybe one of our engineers/physicists can address this. When Super Heavy was nuking the launch pad back to the stone age, if felt like the length of time it took to clear the tower was itself a problem. But was it? Or is that simply expected given the thrust required to lift something that heavy off the pad?
    Seems to me that it should be compared to a full Saturn moon launch, which to me made it look reasonable. Although one of the high points of this system was the most power ever, so it could be a problem. Dx made a good suggestion that the pad damage may have had an impact on the rockets, so…

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Originally posted by aparch View Post
    The (loud!) audible cheering from the SpaceX team when the rocket exploded made me sick.
    I'm guessing word went out beforehand that anyone on tape expressing negative emotions, no matter what happened, would be sh*tcanned.

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  • Kepler
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    Maybe one of our engineers/physicists can address this. When Super Heavy was nuking the launch pad back to the stone age, if felt like the length of time it took to clear the tower was itself a problem. But was it? Or is that simply expected given the thrust required to lift something that heavy off the pad?

    Last edited by Kepler; 04-21-2023, 10:44 AM.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by aparch View Post
    The (loud!) audible cheering from the SpaceX team when the rocket exploded made me sick.
    That really did feel like Dump/CPAC-level cult behavior.

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  • aparch
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    The (loud!) audible cheering from the SpaceX team when the rocket exploded made me sick.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post

    We're supposed to be better than this.
    Are we, though?

    This is Latter Stage Capitalism. Latter Stage anything is usually pretty slapdash. Latter Stage Communism was Chernobyl.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
    It’s interesting that the only goal was to clear the tower to be a success, and even that was likely a failures due to the damage.

    and they claim to save a lot of salaries doing it quickly. Yea, underpay staff to make progress. Good idea.
    We're supposed to be better than this.

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  • MichVandal
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    It’s interesting that the only goal was to clear the tower to be a success, and even that was likely a failures due to the damage.

    and they claim to save a lot of salaries doing it quickly. Yea, underpay staff to make progress. Good idea.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Killing Turtles is always a good idea too.

    "space x destroyed their launchpad in a way they themselves predicted would happen and then the rocket blew up mid-flight, raining debris on a unique sea turtle breeding zone" is apparently a success, because someone will ostensibly learn something from it.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Oh, and for the record, I think it's 50:50 that Musk still refuses to go with a deluge and trench system. A responsible program would use this as a moment to stop, push back future launches, and assess how that decision was made. They'd fix the launch site and the management system that made the decision in the first place.


    Edit: One more thing. This right here I think is why I'm so upset about this. Because as an engineer, nothing is ****ing worse than a predictable catastrophic failure.

    https://twitter.com/golikehellmachi/...680632832?s=20
    Good find.

    I also pull this quote from that twitter user.

    the pitch for privatization is always "private enterprise can do [x] faster/better/cheaper than government" and then those private enterprises cut important corners to do it, no one needs to defend the corner cutting, that wasn't the ****ing deal.
    I see this across industry in my job. All over the place.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Oh, and for the record, I think it's 50:50 that Musk still refuses to go with a deluge and trench system. A responsible program would use this as a moment to stop, push back future launches, and assess how that decision was made. They'd fix the launch site and the management system that made the decision in the first place.


    Edit: One more thing. This right here I think is why I'm so upset about this. Because as an engineer, nothing is ****ing worse than a predictable catastrophic failure.

    https://twitter.com/golikehellmachi/...680632832?s=20

    i am not a space exploration hater, but i do look at the privatization of it with a jaundiced eye, and predictable failures should be criticized very heavily, not glossed over just because space is cool.
    Last edited by dxmnkd316; 04-20-2023, 05:18 PM.

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