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  • The defensiveness from the flyovers is like a high pressure front. It pushes away all before it: sense, understanding, and dignity.


    Fig. 1 Oh, come on, Phoenix!
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    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      The defensiveness from the flyovers is like a high pressure front. It pushes away all before it: sense, understanding, and dignity.


      Fig. 1 Oh, come on, Phoenix!
      Exactly. If there are three things backwoods Maine is known for, its: sense, understanding, and dignity.
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      • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

        Exactly. If there are three things backwoods Maine is known for, its: sense, understanding, and dignity.
        See also: NYC, LA, FL....
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        Originally posted by SanTropez
        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
        Originally posted by Kepler
        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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        • Rural communities are included in flyover country, regardless of state.

          The only notable distinction of flyover from civilized America is in flyover even the cities are hayseed.

          That is their charm.
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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            This has been Midwestern Centrists explain the Left.

            My point is, you don’t acknowledge the Twitter Left. You refuse to even believe they exist. The hallmark of the TL is an absence of any sort of detente. They don’t acknowledge that things won’t get done as long as Republicans are in charge. They assume we can run hard left candidates from the coasts in any locale and win because of progressive politics alone.

            The keplerian left, I think, is harder to define since they aren’t the boisterous type. I think they tend to understand the reality they live in. There has to be a “but”, but I’m struggling to give it definition. The Twitter Left is easy because they’re basically the left’s version of Trumpists.

            The odd thing is, and my point, is that they are both very closely aligned in their goals.
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            Originally posted by SanTropez
            May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
            I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
            Originally posted by Kepler
            When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Rural communities are included in flyover country, regardless of state.

              The only notable distinction of flyover from civilized America is in flyover even the cities are hayseed.

              That is their charm.
              Have you ever been to Chicago or Minneapolis?
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              Originally posted by SanTropez
              May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
              Originally posted by bigblue_dl
              I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
              Originally posted by Kepler
              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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              • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                Have you ever been to Chicago or Minneapolis?
                Chicago: yes.

                Minneapolis: I said "cities."
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Rural communities are included in flyover country, regardless of state.

                  The only notable distinction of flyover from civilized America is in flyover even the cities are hayseed.

                  That is their charm.
                  What is your definition of "rural communities?"
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                  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                    Chicago: yes.

                    Minneapolis: I said "cities."
                    What's your definition of "cities?"
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                    • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                      My point is, you don’t acknowledge the Twitter Left. You refuse to even believe they exist. The hallmark of the TL is an absence of any sort of detente. They don’t acknowledge that things won’t get done as long as Republicans are in charge. They assume we can run hard left candidates from the coasts in any locale and win because of progressive politics alone.

                      The keplerian left, I think, is harder to define since they aren’t the boisterous type. I think they tend to understand the reality they live in. There has to be a “but”, but I’m struggling to give it definition. The Twitter Left is easy because they’re basically the left’s version of Trumpists.

                      The odd thing is, and my point, is that they are both very closely aligned in their goals.
                      I assume the Twitter Left is like the Parler Right: they are out there, they are loud, they are idiots, and for every one of them there are 9 imitators, trolls, and bots playing up to it.

                      All the rest of my "animosity" towards Left-Centrists is a bit. It is typical of the True Left that we understand we need a coalition of the Center Left and True Left or the Right will divide and conquer. Sadly, the Center Left is all too frequently selfish and ignores this for easy LOLs (and the Right divides and conquers).

                      The opposition of Purist Marxist Warriors vs The Bourgeoise Liberals last had actual currency at the Third Internationale in 1919. Since then it has been a bludgeon the Right uses to harm us both and unfortunately too many simps fall for it.
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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                        Chicago: yes.

                        Minneapolis: I said "cities."
                        I laughed

                        This is probably all part of your Midwest bit, which is funny, but what is your quantitative definition of a city?
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                        Originally posted by SanTropez
                        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                        Originally posted by Kepler
                        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                          I assume the Twitter Left is like the Parler Right: they are out there, they are loud, they are idiots, and for every one of them there are 9 imitators, trolls, and bots playing up to it.

                          All the rest of my "animosity" towards Left-Centrists is a bit. It is typical of the True Left that we understand we need a coalition of the Center Left and True Left or the Right will divide and conquer. Sadly, the Center Left is all too frequently selfish and ignores this for easy LOLs (and the Right divides and conquers).

                          The opposition of Purist Marxist Warriors vs The Bourgeoise Liberals last had actual currency at the Third Internationale in 1919. Since then it has been a bludgeon the Right uses to harm us both and unfortunately too many simps fall for it.
                          You could be correct about the Parler Right. But how did trump get 70 million votes? The Parler Right is the base.
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                          College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                          BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                          Originally posted by SanTropez
                          May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                          Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                          I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                          Originally posted by Kepler
                          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                          • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                            You could be correct about the Parler Right. But how did trump get 70 million votes? The Parler Right is the base.
                            Just like how did Biden get 84 million votes. That vanguard is a tiny portion of the total mass.

                            Now, there do seem to be more balls deep nuts on the Right than the Left. Certainly the ratio of people who would actually murder for their beliefs is north of 1000 : 1 as a ratio of Right : Left. The Jesus Nonsense helps explain that. Dopes have always been more dangerous when they mix in magical delusions and other "spiritual" schizophrenia.
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                            • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                              I laughed

                              This is probably all part of your Midwest bit, which is funny, but what is your quantitative definition of a city?
                              Someplace unpleasant.

                              Minneapolis, by all accounts, is just too nice a place to live to count as a city. c.f. Portland.

                              Conversely, any time more than 3 people congregate in Massachusetts that counts as a city.

                              1 if he is from BC.
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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                                You are a Centrist. Tell me how you feel about UBI, Reparations, defunding the cops, and nationalizing the energy sector.

                                I am also far more "in touch" with the Left than you are. What age has to do with it is anybody's guess -- I guess you just run dry of insults that were germane and had to cast around for something to make you feel witty.

                                Now run along to NPR and Rachel Maddow since they make you feel Left without ever having to change your lifestyle.

                                (dont listen to NPR or watched Maddow in years...but hey keep watching Chuck Todd cause that makes you a Lefty ;^) )

                                Well lets see...talking points with no context to try and prove a false narrative because you think, wrongly of course, that you have any idea where "The Center" is and whether I occupy it. Sounds about right for you...funny thing is you defend "Centrists" way more than I do.

                                Do I support UBI as it is being discussed right now outside of the Pandemic? Not right now. It is untenable for now. You know it and I know it. (not to mention it is not a winnable idea in politics yet but will be a lot sooner than before because of the Pandemic) For the Pandemic I have been in favor of $2000 payments monthly since almost Day 1. I think UBI is the future of how things will work and have no problem with my taxes going up to do it if the right people are put in charge of figuring it out and implementing it. (i.e. Not Andrew Yang) The safety net has been so damaged it is not enough and since making a livable wage is apparently tantamount to Karl Marx taking over the country something needs to change. I just dont think it can...yet. But when it does you wont see me fighting it. I might question if it hurts a platform, but I support the idea.

                                Reparations. Well again there is more to this topic than just yes/no. I am all for Reparations but it has to be part of a method by which the Black Community is not just given wealth, but that their community is lifted out of the crap we lay upon them. It should be a part of a long term generational change. There should be retirement accounts and access to funds to start businesses and buy homes. College funds, upgrading inner city schools, access to better technologies and so on. We need to use Reparations (I would change the name since it is toxic to many) to end the cycle of poverty and yes...I am all for chipping in for that. If you mean just handing them a set amount of cash so to speak then no. Then we arent helping them, in fact we are only going to make it worse. We owe them way more than any dollar amount could ever fix.

                                Defund The Cops. Are you bleeping serious? All summer Hovey tried his hand at being witty mocking me because I 100% support what Minneapolis is trying to do. The current policing model is a joke. Unlike you though I understand that the term "Defund the Cops" is a loser in many districts. The Dems have zero ability to market an idea let alone have a real message. They let others define their positions and that is why it always fails. I think if you asked people they would say they support taking certain issues off the cops plates and throwing money at ways to solve those problems without jailing people. They don't support Defunding the Cops though even though it is the exact same thing. (there is always going to be police) I will always support radical change until it happens.

                                No I am not for nationalizing oil. I never claimed to be a full on socialist. This proves what I said though if I am Centrist because I am not a to the Left of Bernie then the Overton Window has shifted and you should be happy. I am for socialized medicine, free education and many other things but I see no reason to push that far. I would rather spend the time having the government highly subsidize green tech so oil becomes less attractive.

                                So yeah just call me Joe Manchin because we are so close on so many issues. Sure I vote for Ilhan Omar even in her Primaries and support AOC for SOTH within 2 years but obviously they are just Centrists too amirite? This is the problem with the hardliners like you (or the Berners on Twitter) they ignore that just because some of us choose to speak with nuance about an idea doesn't mean we arent on the same page. You always assume that because with you it isnt really a discussion. You are going to get your talking points out, you are going to assume that whoever you are discussing it with knows less than you and has the wrong opinion. That is fine I get it. But just because you think Bernie is barely Left of Center doesn't mean that is how things are in the real world.

                                tl;dr: Next time save me 20 minutes and just read my actual posts ;^)

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