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  • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Chemists. The engineers are the ones who made it profitable. But then again, we wouldn’t have penicillin without a chemical engineer scaling it up. So let’s call it a wash.
    So it's theoretical vs applied? OK, I get you.

    Hey, the world needs engineers too. There are two disciplines without engineering: philosophy and theology. They both have a lot of problems.
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    • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      That’s not hard. Chemical engineers aren’t chemists. Chemists are.
      Chemists invent the neat stuff, ChemEngs figure out the means of production for said neat stuff. Kinda like Henry Ford and the assembly line for the automobile.

      When I worked at Rotten Ronnie's in high school I got yelled at for putting the cheese under the meat patty instead of on top. Some executive chef somewhere in the McD's organization actually sat down and determined the exact order the condiments should go in for optimum taste/mouthfeel and means of production.
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      • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        So it's theoretical vs applied? OK, I get you.

        Hey, the world needs engineers too. There are two disciplines without engineering: philosophy and theology. They both have a lot of problems.
        That's how I generally distinguish the two.

        1. Someone sees a problem or need
        2. That someone brings it to a scientist or engineer and asks, "How can we fill this need?"
        3. Scientists determine if it's possible
        4. Scientists (sometimes different, sometimes the same as in step 3) synthesize the chemical
        5. Engineers determine if that synthesis is possible at large scale or create equipment to make it possible
        6. Financial team (though usually it seems to be the engineer ) determines if it would make money
        7. Management says yes or no
        8. Engineers (working with team of scientists) scale from lab to pilot
        9. Repeat: Feasible? Profitable?
        10. Engineers (working with fewer scientists) scale from pilot to production
        11. Management downsizes company, fires important people, and goes for a nice dip in the money bin

        Scientists come up with the idea
        Engineers make it profitable
        Management and finance wander around in the flower fields

        I'll give you one guess on who gets paid the most and the least
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        • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

          I'll give you one guess on who gets paid the most and the least
          My guess is it'll be the ones to come up with the cash to pay for the designs gone wrong, the scaling of the designs that are finally right, and finally, the selling of the product to someone who doesn't really need it.
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          • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            Scientists come up with the idea
            Engineers make it profitable
            Management and finance wander around in the flower fields

            I'll give you one guess on who gets paid the most
            That's simple. The owner, who did nothing.
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            • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

              I work with a lot of Engineers. Mostly Mechanical. The number one things that I have seen over the years that I find remarkable and counter to progress in the field.

              1. The elimination of drafting as a profession. Engineers waste way too much time nowadays on paperwork.
              2. An inability for companies to see the difference between manufacturing engineering and design engineering.
              3. A massive continued reliance on 2D drawings of both assemblies and parts. With 3D annotation and actually dividing labor between design and manufacturing engineering both of those things are needless and a complete waste of time and money.
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              • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                An inability for companies to see the difference between manufacturing engineering and design engineering.
                Oh, man, software has this problem, too. I've seen huge and theoretically competent companies like Lockheed pawn off their systems engineering onto software "developers" who are really just programmers. Give them a design and they'll execute it, even optimize it. But telling them to design is like telling the typesetter to write the poem.
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                • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Oh, man, software has this problem, too. I've seen huge and theoretically competent companies like Lockheed pawn off their systems engineering onto software "developers" who are really just programmers. Give them a design and they'll execute it; probably even optimize it. But telling them to design is like telling the typesetter to write the poem.
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                  • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    That's simple. The owner, who did nothing.
                    And therein lies the problem. Bunch of welfare queens. DO nothing, get handed everything.

                    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    My guess is it'll be the ones to come up with the cash to pay for the designs gone wrong, the scaling of the designs that are finally right, and finally, the selling of the product to someone who doesn't really need it.
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                    Originally posted by Kepler
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                    • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      I work with a lot of Engineers. Mostly Mechanical. The number one things that I have seen over the years that I find remarkable and counter to progress in the field.

                      1. The elimination of drafting as a profession. Engineers waste way too much time nowadays on paperwork.
                      2. An inability for companies to see the difference between manufacturing engineering and design engineering.
                      3. A massive continued reliance on 2D drawings of both assemblies and parts. With 3D annotation and actually dividing labor between design and manufacturing engineering both of those things are needless and a complete waste of time and money.
                      Yeah, I agree. I think my division gets that. I don't think the rest of the company does.

                      I don't like 2D anymore. I am totally on board with paying for 3D. Saves so much money in the long run. We just started using laser-mapping of our existing fields to get snapshots of our buildings to pull into 3D. It's going to revolutionize how we do projects in old, crowded buildings.
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                      Originally posted by bigblue_dl
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                      Originally posted by Kepler
                      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                      He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                      • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                        give mookie the text
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                        bring tears to kep's eyes
                        Not if he f-cks up the meter like this.
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                        • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

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                          • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                            Trumplethinskin is so petty he'd rather support accused child molester Roy Moore than Jeff Sessions for Senate?

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                            • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                              Originally posted by aparch View Post
                              Trumplethinskin is so petty he'd rather support accused child molester Roy Moore than Jeff Sessions for Senate?
                              We are naturally drawn to those with whom we share common interests. Apparently Dump's sexual predator-to-racist ratio is above 1.0.
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                              • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                                Surely Moore isn't the only butthole running for the Republican nom?

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