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  • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

    Originally posted by The Rube View Post
    Whoa, I don't recall standing FOR CSA statues. I might have said (I don't recall) that a bigger deal was made of them than what was needed, but that's about it. So you can stop right there, please.

    I do support leaving some monuments/paintings/etc up with updated plaques on what the person's character was, to learn from history (IIRC there was a painting in the St Paul capitol that was going to do that, or thought about doing that?
    The point is these statues were not history. It wasn't as if these were old statues of heroes of a side which subsequently lost. These were built 50-75 years after the fact by butt-hurt southern racists to convinces themselves The Cause hadn't been lost. They were the chronological equivalent of a Neo-Nazi group today building a statue to Hitler.

    They were southern white propaganda supporting this recurring racist strain in their culture, right from the start. Preserving them isn't "remembering history," it's preserving a new round in their age-old dumbas-s apartheid state.
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    • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

      again... winners write history

      and nature abhors a vacuum

      ..only two rules that matter in the end.
      a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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      • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
        again... winners write history

        and nature abhors a vacuum

        ..only two rules that matter in the end.
        follow the money
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        • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
          again... winners write history

          and nature abhors a vacuum

          ..only two rules that matter in the end.
          Winners usually write history. In the case of a great many of those Civil War statues, the losers were trying to use them as a tool to help claw back some of their losses.
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          • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            Winners usually write history. In the case of a great many of those Civil War statues, the losers were trying to use them as a tool to help claw back some of their losses.
            I think he's saying the fact that the statues are coming down has to do with the winners imposing their will on the losers. Which is wrong but in line with his aphorism so he's stuck with it. It also punts the whole issue of the morality of the slavers to the more congenial terrain of real politik.

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            • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

              I am shocked none of our right wing posters, who are oh so concerned when a RWNJ speaker gets booted off campus, has mentioned this one.

              https://www.omaha.com/news/nation/mo...ff043fe1a.html

              And this isn't because of students, this was done at the behest of a freaking state political party.

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              • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                Whoa, I don't recall standing FOR CSA statues. I might have said (I don't recall) that a bigger deal was made of them than what was needed, but that's about it. So you can stop right there, please.
                You always argue that they're a part of history and need to remain untouched, even if they were build well after the Civil War and people want to take them down because of what they represent and why they were built in the first place.

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                • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                  Nothing more fragile than a white male republican.

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                  • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                    Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                    Winners usually write history. In the case of a great many of those Civil War statues, the losers were trying to use them as a tool to help claw back some of their losses.
                    no, that actually defaulted due to rule two. the winners left with the end to restruction... creating the vacuum.

                    cause-effect
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                    • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      I am shocked none of our right wing posters, who are oh so concerned when a RWNJ speaker gets booted off campus, has mentioned this one.

                      https://www.omaha.com/news/nation/mo...ff043fe1a.html

                      And this isn't because of students, this was done at the behest of a freaking state political party.
                      So, they rescinded his invitation because his of position on abortion... which is the position of the United States Supreme Court?

                      Your move, flyovers...
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                      • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                        Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
                        Nothing more fragile than a white male republican.
                        Women Republicans always claim opposition to their inanities is sexist.

                        Black Republicans always claim opposition to their inanities is racist.

                        I think we may have located the problem.
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                        • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          So, they rescinded his invitation because his of position on abortion... which is the position of the United States Supreme Court?

                          Your move, flyovers...
                          That was the official reason. The real reason is retaliation for libs protesting fascist trolls like Milo, Crowder, and Coulter.

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                          • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                            Mayor of Baltimore has stepped down after stepping in it big time.
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                            • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                              Originally posted by joecct View Post
                              Mayor of Baltimore has stepped down after stepping in it big time.
                              This one seems pretty cut-and-dried.

                              How does Maryland have a Republican Governor though? Between Baltimore and the Beltway 'burbs, you'd think the Ds would have a lock on power in Annapolis.

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                              • Re: The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

                                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                                This one seems pretty cut-and-dried.

                                How does Maryland have a Republican Governor though? Between Baltimore and the Beltway 'burbs, you'd think the Ds would have a lock on power in Annapolis.
                                The MD Dems have come up with some lousy nominees. Also, MD Republicans are farther left than many prairie or southern Dems. Also also: a lot of MD Dem voters care more about their property values than civil rights.
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