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  • Don't show up at the airport expecting to check your firearms if you are on a Delta flight to the D.C. area. They will not allow it. Hopefully every other airline follows suit.

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    • I have a rule of thumb:

      If I see someone with a camp auschwitz hoodie at something I’m participating in, I leave immediately and take a week off to re-evaluate my life’s decisions.
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      • Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

        I think there were a lot of different agendas. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the vast majority of the folks were mad about the protests over the summer and thought they were doing the same thing. The people who wanted to do some serious damage probably didn’t expect to make it out.
        Two things- by now, all of them with any brains know that the final lawful decision to have overturned the election had long past. And yet they enabled the violence (see my previous post).

        And second, if they honestly didn't think they would make it out- the body armor and the handcuffs make zero sense. No, they fully expected to make this work- perhaps because of alleged help from the cops and/or perhaps the alleged help via Congress members.

        The irony of them pretending that this was to preserve the Constitution is rich....

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        • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
          I have a rule of thumb:

          If I see someone with a camp auschwitz hoodie at something I’m participating in, I leave immediately and take a week off to re-evaluate my life’s decisions.
          You'd make a pretty soft Eagles fan.
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          • Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

            The people who wanted to do some serious damage probably didn’t expect to make it out.
            Naa, MAGAts are too cowardly to be suicide bombers. Just like their dear leader didn't have the courage to actually march with them to the Capitol building, instead retreating to his bunkers in the White House. The plan for the people in there who were active participants in the parts of the coup that failed clearly had them coming out, triumphant, and with either hostages or confirmed kills.

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            • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

              The problem is that the 975 are enabling the 25. Not once did I see anyone pull the mob back. Not once did I see a significant group of people run away once the Capitol building was breached. In contrast, there was lots of cheering from the masses (presumably made up of the 975) when the attacks really got going.

              Let alone, the masses of people at the original rallies embolden people who think violence is the correct answer.

              So while they factually did not partake, they were completely complicit. Just like the president.
              Well, factually they did participate, so they're certainly complicit. I guess what I was trying to convey is that in answer to Swan's question, I think that a small percentage of those people who traveled to D.C. did actually think they were going to storm the Capitol and take over the government, but it was a very small percent. The rest thought they were going to a protest rally. But between the words of the speakers and the actions of the few Call of Duty types, it didn't take long for mob mentality to take over and in they went.
              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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              • Originally posted by Swansong View Post
                I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

                Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


                The mind boggles.
                My theory. The Plan was provoke massive carnage, involve (or blame) Antifa, and have Dump effectively suspend the Constitution while claiming to be protecting it while the Republican party gives political cover and elements in the military and law enforcement hold the power of coercion. That's how coups happen.

                Now, this strategy needs major casualties to feed fear of left wing terrorism in all those red counties. That strongly implies the initial wave of DC rioters needs to be cut down in a violent clash with local police, adversarial protesters, and even troops. They were sacrificial dupes. Which, obviously, they were not told.

                So there were two levels to this, at least. The dopey Timothy McVeigh guys we all saw on the news were supposed to get slaughtered by the Big Bad (OH NOES TEH SOCIALISTS!!!11! or The State or The Globalists of whatever idiocy the right is pooting this week). Then the command and control level of guys like Cruz and Hawley and guys we'll never hear of unless there is a thorough investigation (cough FedSoc). There is an implied third level: derps like Gaetz and Goser and Susie Q and, for that matter, Dump, preened as the brain trust but were public-facing cattle to shove in front of cameras and absorb the heat if things went sideways.

                Which, happily for the world, they did.

                But The Plan was sound. The Plan could have worked.
                Last edited by Kepler; 01-14-2021, 10:13 AM.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  My theory. The Plan was provoke massive carnage, involve (or blame) Antifa, and have Dump effectively suspend the Constitution while claiming to be protecting it while the Republican party gives political cover and elements in the military and law enforcement hold the power of coercion. That's how coups happen.

                  Now, this strategy needs major casualties to feed fear of left wing terrorism in all those red counties. That strongly implies the initial wave of DC rioters needs to be cut down in a violent clash with local police, adversarial protesters, and even troops. They were sacrificial dupes. Which, obviously, they were not told.

                  So there were two levels to this, at least. The dopey Timothy McVeigh guys we all saw on the news were supposed to get slaughtered by the Big Bad (OH NOES TEH SOCIALISTS!!!11! or The State or The Globalists of whatever idiocy the right is pooting this week). Then the command and control level of guys like Cruz and Hawley and guys we'll never hear of unless there is a thorough investigation (cough FedSoc). There is an implied third level: derps like Gaetz and Goser and Susie Q and, for that matter, Dump, preened as the brain trust but rwere public-facing cattle to shove in front of cameras and absorb the heat if things went sideways.

                  Which, happily for the world, they did.

                  But The Plan was sound. The Plan could have worked.
                  I can't possibly agree with that, as there's no way I can give them the benefit of the doubt about how smart they are. All I can give them "smarts" was a weekend warrior mentality to pretend that they were tough and could fight our government similar to Red Dawn.

                  The shirts were to enrage people, and the engagement was to "actually" over throw stuff. The whole ANTIFA line came when they failed their hard goals of stopping the process.

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                  • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    I think that a small percentage of those people who traveled to D.C. did actually think they were going to storm the Capitol and take over the government, but it was a very small percent. The rest thought they were going to a protest rally. But between the words of the speakers and the actions of the few Call of Duty types, it didn't take long for mob mentality to take over and in they went.
                    I think this is the dynamics of every instance of mass violence in history, so it does not expiate anything. A murderer whose plea is he "got caught up in the moment" still goes up the river, albeit for Second Degree.
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                    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                      I think this is the dynamics of every instance of mass violence in history, so it does not expiate anything. A murderer whose plea is he "got caught up in the moment" still goes up the river, albeit for Second Degree.
                      I'm not arguing against prosecution, or for leniency for any of them. If they committed a crime that we can prove, let's do it. I'm was just saying that I don't think 5000 people got on a plane thinking that they were going to break into the Capitol, seize Pence and Pelosi and hang them from the nearest yardarm. If you join a mob, be prepared for the consequences. Mobs rarely make good decisions.
                      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                      • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                        I can't possibly agree with that, as there's no way I can give them the benefit of the doubt about how smart they are. All I can give them "smarts" was a weekend warrior mentality to pretend that they were tough and could fight our government similar to Red Dawn.
                        Yeah, I agree. When I read Kep's post about THE PLAN, this immediately popped into my head.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                          I can't possibly agree with that, as there's no way I can give them the benefit of the doubt about how smart they are. All I can give them "smarts" was a weekend warrior mentality to pretend that they were tough and could fight our government similar to Red Dawn.

                          The shirts were to enrage people, and the engagement was to "actually" over throw stuff. The whole ANTIFA line came when they failed their hard goals of stopping the process.
                          It doesn't imply much smarts. The planners have been planning for a long time -- this has been the right wing wet dream since at least the John Birchers in the 1950s and probably all the way back to butthurt Confederates in the 1870s. And the body of "Coup Theory" is enormous and pervasive, from wild dreamy stuff drawn up by Marxists to methodical, Rand Corporation studies drafted on behalf of a certain TLA.

                          Then it's Mad Libs plug and play for: (1) year and country: 2020 USA, (2) target: USG, (3) short trigger: "election fraud," (4) long grievance: culture war

                          c.f.

                          2011 Egypt / Mubarak / Internet Suspension / Dictatorship

                          1917 Russia / Kerensky Directorate / Kornilov Affair / Democratic socialist betrayal of communism

                          1789 France / Ancien Regime / Food shortages / Political and economic inequality



                          A wave of martyrs is a powerful propaganda device, and here Rush and Newt and Hannity had radicalized millions of derps over two generations just waiting to Serve The Cause.
                          Last edited by Kepler; 01-14-2021, 10:16 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                            I'm not arguing against prosecution, or for leniency for any of them. If they committed a crime that we can prove, let's do it. I'm was just saying that I don't think 5000 people got on a plane thinking that they were going to break into the Capitol, seize Pence and Pelosi and hang them from the nearest yardarm. If you join a mob, be prepared for the consequences. Mobs rarely make good decisions.
                            I think me, you, and Kepler are all more or less saying the same thing. None of us know all the details right now but it’s pretty clear there were two distinct groups.
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                            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                              I'm not arguing against prosecution, or for leniency for any of them. If they committed a crime that we can prove, let's do it. I'm was just saying that I don't think 5000 people got on a plane thinking that they were going to break into the Capitol, seize Pence and Pelosi and hang them from the nearest yardarm.
                              That would have taken care of the problem.

                              The nearest yardarm is in Anacostia.



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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                                We need to talk about Steve Guttenberg.
                                Is it about how he has been robbed of multiple Oscars? Kennedy Center Honors? The man is a treasure!

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