Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

[Kepler]

And it sounds like some of the Racist party is starting to not believe in the voting

Good!

[Kepler]

So that others hear this- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ns/ar-BB1beD8b

Please. More of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriphagy

[aparch]

So, I'm seeing some more chatter from non-Q "conservative" friends that the "losing" streak by Trump's legal team is just a fast lane to the Supreme Court handing him the presidency.



Also, the President Pelosi bit last page is funny, but the 117th congress would make that decision, and only one representative per state gets to choose. More states are Republican controlled and would likely swing their rep in Trump's favor.

[WeAreNDHockey]

The crazies are now passing around a video saying Dominion changed votes in Philly. Problem is Dominion machines arent used in Philly so that would be impossible.

Apparently Dominion is so powerful and corrupt and in the bag for Biden they can change votes in states that don't rely on them. Sort of like how when the NCAA got so ticked off at UNLVs Jerry Tarkanian they put Cleveland State on probation.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Yeah I don’t get thr pelosi thing, I thought the house vote would lead to Trump.

one of Michigan’s certifiiers lets everyone know today a constitutional crisis could still give Trump the victory

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/s...41596098564097

[dxmnkd316]

Well, it’s different. The house vote only happens if it’s 269-269, right? Otherwise if there’s a failure to hold a vote, it follows the PLOS.

I thought. Ymmv

[bronconick]

That's the GOP state House leader, not a certifier.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

That's the GOP state House leader, not a certifier.

Whoops. Hard for me to keep track of all the new wannabe celebrities in Michigan

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

So, I'm seeing some more chatter from non-Q "conservative" friends that the "losing" streak by Trump's legal team is just a fast lane to the Supreme Court handing him the presidency.



Also, the President Pelosi bit last page is funny, but the 117th congress would make that decision, and only one representative per state gets to choose. More states are Republican controlled and would likely swing their rep in Trump's favor.

Conservative judges have been tossing these cases with little patience. How would we get from here to Robot Amy agreeing to throw out all mail in ballots in the key states?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Its a machine recount so it will go nowhere. Biden will just win the state for like the 5th time ;^)

Sadly Georgia taxpayers foot the bill. Should be in some ads on repeat next month

[Handyman]

So, I'm seeing some more chatter from non-Q "conservative" friends that the "losing" streak by Trump's legal team is just a fast lane to the Supreme Court handing him the presidency.



Also, the President Pelosi bit last page is funny, but the 117th congress would make that decision, and only one representative per state gets to choose. More states are Republican controlled and would likely swing their rep in Trump's favor.

That isnt how it works at this point. That only happens if neither candidate gets to 270. That scenario cannot happen now short of electors going rogue.

From where we are in the process any Constitutional Crisis leads to the SOTH becoming interim President until the House and Senate fix all challenges.

[WeAreNDHockey]

Well, it’s different. The house vote only happens if it’s 269-269, right? Otherwise if there’s a failure to hold a vote, it follows the PLOS.

I thought. Ymmv

The 12th Amendment requires one candidate to have a majority (270) of the EC. The house would vote in any case where no candidate has 270. So a 269-269 tie requires a house vote. But so does a scenario in which Biden has 260 EC votes, trump 232, and Kepler, running on the Socialist Party Ticket, has the remaining 46. In those scenarios, the house votes, one vote per state, and trump wins.

What I want to know is what the House will do if there are disputed electors, or if there are court cases still pending. It is clear the republicans are hoping to delay this process as long as possible. The recount is grinding to a halt in WI. MI is not going to certify their election tomorrow because the state canvass will be a 2-2 tie. We know they are trying to get PA to hold off. What happens when tow duly elected entities BOTH claim the right to send a slate of electors? Subtract the 46 votes from PA, MI and WI from Biden and suddenly he only has 260 undisputed EC votes. What slate does the U.H. House recognize? Does the ENTIRE House get to vote on that? Normally we refer to their function taking place on January 6th, 2021 as simply an official counting of the ballots. Who is to say what ballots they count?

Again, all the republicans want is to delay this long enough that it devolves into chaos. Or until trump's hand-picked, possibly just for this scenario, Supreme Court decides in his favor.

[WeAreNDHockey]

Conservative judges have been tossing these cases with little patience. How would we get from here to Robot Amy agreeing to throw out all mail in ballots in the key states?

Appeals. You don't like what one judge tells you, you go over his or her head. Eventually you end up in the Supreme Court. I am heartened that so many judges have decided to follow the actual law. I would hope trump's 6-3 majority, possibly hand-picked for just this scenario, decides to also follow the law if they are tasked with making a decision on the 2020 election.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Appeals. You don't like what one judge tells you, you go over his or her head. Eventually you end up in the Supreme Court. I am heartened that so many judges have decided to follow the actual law. I would hope trump's 6-3 majority, possibly hand-picked for just this scenario, decides to also follow the law if they are tasked with making a decision on the 2016 election.

I Understand how appeals work. I’m just not seeing how people outside Alito and kavanaugh would have such a drastic view different than what these federalist society judges have already been tossing

[Handyman]

If I read right at this point it isnt about the 12th. If dueling electors are sent and both houses cant agree on a slate (and if the Governors Tie breaker isnt used) then it isnt a 12th Amedment problem. This falls under the purview of the Electoral Count Act.

By imposing strict limits on procedures, debate, and recesses, the Electoral Count Act is designed to help Congress achieve an election result before the term of the outgoing president ends. Nevertheless, if no new president (or vice president) has been elected by that time, the Twentieth Amendment and the Presidential Succession Act would mean that the Speaker of the House would be sworn in as acting president. Notably, Section 1 of the amendment makes clear that the terms of the outgoing president and vice president shall end on January 20 at noon; they cannot be extended except by constitutional amendment.

If both Houses cannot agree then there is a failure to elect. As such the 20th Amendment is the focus. Since no President and Vice President have been confirmed next in line for succession is the Speaker of the House. Pelosi would hold the office until a deal is struck. Meanwhile Congress can only meet to debate the Electors they cannot do anything else. It is not a scenario the GOP wants.

This stuff was put in because of 1876 where the Dems tried the same move only they figured if the Electors were disputed it would go to the House (which I believe they controlled) and the Senate was Republican so they figured they had all the power since they count the votes. It was a mess. The ECA was supposed to solve that. It kind of does...