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  • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    In my fantasies this whole insurgency would be treated in some ways like a TV police procedural. Mass arrests of a bunch of nobodies who then, in exchange for 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their lives instead of the hot shot give up the leaders of the mafia family.

    As was posted earlier, this was an inside job. The cover to complete it was going to be the chaos of a couple of thousand people who were going to walk through, smash a couple of windows, take a couple of 5h!ts on a couple of desks, maybe kill a cop or two, maybe sacrifice 4 or 5 of their own. All the while 15 or 20 other people would attempt to locate the Vice President, the Speaker and 2 or 3 other key members of congress and lead them out of the building in chains (or zip ties because that's what they carry in their "go" bags) as hostages. And maybe assassinate them on live TV.

    Members of congress were involved. Not just with their alarming rhetoric, but with actual planning and assistance. Members of the Capitol police were involved. Not just in jokingly putting on a MAGA hat or taking a selfie. Not just in letting the mob overwhelm their lines and letting people storm in. They were involved in helping others navigate the halls, where to go, who would be where. There are likely other federal law enforcement officials involved, and maybe even a few members of the military.

    We dodged a bullet on 1-6. 1-6 was actually a far, FAR more precarious day for this democracy than 9-11. Exponentially more so I would believe. 1-6 should go down in history as actual day of infamy. If this country is actually going to survive, Americans will need to understand and accept what really was happening on 1-6. This was not a mob that was allowed by a few MAGAts in uniform to run amok. This was not mere incompetence on the part of the Capitol Police. This was insurrection. This was an attempted coup. In fact this was a declaration of war on the country by those who perpetrated this attack. If we don't hold all responsible for their actions, from the first pooper all the way through the most senior member of congress, to the greatest extent prescribed for by law, our democracy may as well just call it a day.
    It's kind of sad that the more we learn about this, the more your last paragraph rings true.

    Again, how people can actually put their hand on a Bible, swear allegiance to the Constitution, and then attack it so quickly after that is astonishing. Let alone the millions of Americans who actually believe that this illegal and unConstitutional action was to save the Constitution. Crazy.

    And when you actually question what is the REAL beef with Biden and Democrats- what really is it? Do they think healthcare for all is THAT evil???

    I'm sure they will decry some kind of socialism, but what they are afraid of is socialism for everyone, when right now we have socialism for the rich and large corporations. Kind of insane.

    People think that our defense is so much a part of the Constitution- but they don't seem to know that the TWO times the phrase "common defense" shows up, the phrase "general Welfare" is exactly right next to it. One as a goal, the other as a reason to tax. Defense has a massive amount of restrictions, general Welfare does not.

    Nowhere in the Constitution does is lay out what kind of economy we have- free market, capitalism, socialism, and even communism are all allowed.

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    • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
      In my fantasies this whole insurgency would be treated in some ways like a TV police procedural. Mass arrests of a bunch of nobodies who then, in exchange for 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their lives instead of the hot shot give up the leaders of the mafia family.

      As was posted earlier, this was an inside job. The cover to complete it was going to be the chaos of a couple of thousand people who were going to walk through, smash a couple of windows, take a couple of 5h!ts on a couple of desks, maybe kill a cop or two, maybe sacrifice 4 or 5 of their own. All the while 15 or 20 other people would attempt to locate the Vice President, the Speaker and 2 or 3 other key members of congress and lead them out of the building in chains (or zip ties because that's what they carry in their "go" bags) as hostages. And maybe assassinate them on live TV.

      Members of congress were involved. Not just with their alarming rhetoric, but with actual planning and assistance. Members of the Capitol police were involved. Not just in jokingly putting on a MAGA hat or taking a selfie. Not just in letting the mob overwhelm their lines and letting people storm in. They were involved in helping others navigate the halls, where to go, who would be where. There are likely other federal law enforcement officials involved, and maybe even a few members of the military.

      We dodged a bullet on 1-6. 1-6 was actually a far, FAR more precarious day for this democracy than 9-11. Exponentially more so I would believe. 1-6 should go down in history as actual day of infamy. If this country is actually going to survive, Americans will need to understand and accept what really was happening on 1-6. This was not a mob that was allowed by a few MAGAts in uniform to run amok. This was not mere incompetence on the part of the Capitol Police. This was insurrection. This was an attempted coup. In fact this was a declaration of war on the country by those who perpetrated this attack. If we don't hold all responsible for their actions, from the first pooper all the way through the most senior member of congress, to the greatest extent prescribed for by law, our democracy may as well just call it a day.
      Bang on.
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      • Anybody know when/if they plan on installing shatter resistant windows into the capitol building? I'd imagine all of the glass in that place will need to be replaced for redundancy needs.
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        • OMG have you guys seen the pictures of the National Guard all lying down on the floor in the Capitol as Congress walks in to vote on impeachment??? I'm at a total loss!!

          ETA - after a quick perusal of Twitter, it seems like they were all sleeping there overnight but to just see it, it appears to me like they were laying down arms so anyone could walk in.
          Last edited by Scarlet; 01-13-2021, 11:49 AM.

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          • Yeah there are hundreds of them...friggin scary.
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            • Jesus I saw your post and thought they were part of the insurrection, and not just sleeping on the floor in defense of the government.

              Phew!
              I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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              • I think fewer than 10 House republicans will vote to impeach. I think the 5 who have publicly declared they will vote to impeach the president will be joined by no more than 4 others. So while this technically will be a bipartisan effort, I predict fully 95%+ or the republican delegation does not feel impeaching the president for being a fvcking traitor is the right thing to do. I hope the Justice Department is slightly more loyal than the minority party because if it is not, we are not going to see a single member of congress truly held accountable for planning and aiding in a coup. And if that is the case, we have already lost our country.

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                • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                  I think fewer than 10 House republicans will vote to impeach. I think the 5 who have publicly declared they will vote to impeach the president will be joined by no more than 4 others. So while this technically will be a bipartisan effort, I predict fully 95%+ or the republican delegation does not feel impeaching the president for being a fvcking traitor is the right thing to do. I hope the Justice Department is slightly more loyal than the minority party because if it is not, we are not going to see a single member of congress truly held accountable for planning and aiding in a coup. And if that is the case, we have already lost our country.
                  With the info that is around (apparently), the number of House members involved sounds to be many- and given the evidence, the chance of them being expelled seem pretty good. If the FBI can connect them directly with illegal acts, then the recent press conferences suggest they will be prosecuted, too.

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                  • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                    I think fewer than 10 House republicans will vote to impeach. I think the 5 who have publicly declared they will vote to impeach the president will be joined by no more than 4 others. So while this technically will be a bipartisan effort, I predict fully 95%+ or the republican delegation does not feel impeaching the president for being a fvcking traitor is the right thing to do. I hope the Justice Department is slightly more loyal than the minority party because if it is not, we are not going to see a single member of congress truly held accountable for planning and aiding in a coup. And if that is the case, we have already lost our country.
                    Somebody said something on the morning coverage that I agree with. The vote won't be close. It will either be 5 Republicans... or 25. It won't be 15.

                    There is a landslide of muddy cowards who are flop sweating through this desperate to keep their heads down and try to save their careers. Last night the play seemed to be to vote a mealy-mouthed no and pray it all gets forgotten. Today it is looking more and more like the play is shifting to join a bipartisan impeachment of Dump to save the Republican party's face.

                    They are deeply, deeply cynical -- it's just a matter of which cynical choice they make to protect their own wrinkled ashes.


                    Last edited by Kepler; 01-13-2021, 12:29 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                      With the info that is around (apparently), the number of House members involved sounds to be many- and given the evidence, the chance of them being expelled seem pretty good. If the FBI can connect them directly with illegal acts, then the recent press conferences suggest they will be prosecuted, too.
                      I will believe this when I see it. I think the worst that will happen to any of them is they will be pressured (quietly) by their party to resign or not seek re-election because their ability to raise money will be limited. I think the arrests and prison time will be reserved for the kinds of people we are already seeing arrested. It does nothing to see some idiot state representative from West Virginia who no one has ever heard of being led out of his trailer in handcuffs. It would actually do something to see a member of the United States Congress like Ted Cruz being led away in chains. And it ain't gonna happen.

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                      • More than 200 house members voted no to even discussing impeachment articles. But they were outnumbered and the discussion has started.
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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                          Somebody said something on the morning coverage that I agree with. The vote won't be close. It will either be 5 Republicans... or 25. It won't be 15.

                          There is a landslide of muddy cowards who are flop sweating through this desperate to keep their heads down and try to save their careers. Last night the play seemed to be to vote a mealy-mouthed no and pray it all gets forgotten. Today it is looking more and more like the play is shifting to join a bipartisan impeachment of Dump to save the Republican party's face.

                          They are deeply, deeply cynical -- it's just a matter of which cynical choice they make to protect their own wrinkled ashes.

                          I used to believe that it was that they were just cynical and that when the real 5h!t hit the fan, like an insurrection incited by the president and planned by members of the congress, they would be able to find a way to come around. But most of the 140 who voted against accepting electoral results are the real deal. They are true believers in that we need a strongman like trump to make it safe for the white women-folk our there. This country is broken and it sends broken people to congress. The choice they will make reflects that.

                          25 House republicans is still what, 11 or 12% of their caucus? That means almost 90% of it hates our government and tacitly OKd a coup. If every member of the republican caucus who did NOT vote to overturn the election, something like 70 members, votes to impeach, that might be a start.

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                          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                            Somebody said something on the morning coverage that I agree with. The vote won't be close. It will either be 5 Republicans... or 25. It won't be 15.

                            There is a landslide of muddy cowards who are flop sweating through this desperate to keep their heads down and try to save their careers. Last night the play seemed to be to vote a mealy-mouthed no and pray it all gets forgotten. Today it is looking more and more like the play is shifting to join a bipartisan impeachment of Dump to save the Republican party's face.

                            They are deeply, deeply cynical -- it's just a matter of which cynical choice they make to protect their own wrinkled ashes.

                            At this point it will likely be 5. There is way too much steam on the "they fear for their lives" meme. The Dems are even giving them cover on it...

                            Thing is, I don't know if they fear people in their own caucus like Crazy Eyes from Colorado as much or more than they fear the mob. Of course in her case they are one and the same...this would be a very scary time to be a no name Rep in the GOP because if you try and make a name for yourself by voting yes you risk your life. If you keep your head down and vote no you likely lose a ton of money and party support in the near term.
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                            • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                              With the info that is around (apparently), the number of House members involved sounds to be many- and given the evidence, the chance of them being expelled seem pretty good. If the FBI can connect them directly with illegal acts, then the recent press conferences suggest they will be prosecuted, too.
                              lol. they won't be prosecuted. They'll probably be reelected in two years.

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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                                Somebody said something on the morning coverage that I agree with. The vote won't be close. It will either be 5 Republicans... or 25. It won't be 15.

                                There is a landslide of muddy cowards who are flop sweating through this desperate to keep their heads down and try to save their careers. Last night the play seemed to be to vote a mealy-mouthed no and pray it all gets forgotten. Today it is looking more and more like the play is shifting to join a bipartisan impeachment of Dump to save the Republican party's face.

                                They are deeply, deeply cynical -- it's just a matter of which cynical choice they make to protect their own wrinkled ashes.


                                The number is going to be closer to 5. Reports are there are more that want to vote to impeach, but don't want to put themselves or their families in danger from the Trump cult.

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