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  • SJHovey
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    And getting them not to b-tch about it is impossible.

    The only way to have a good conspiracy is to involve as few people as possible and kill them off quickly as soon as possible.
    I agree 100% with what both you and MT have just posted on conspiracies, which is one of the reasons that I've been a bit skeptical to leap onto the Steven Avery is innocent bus in the Making a Murderer case. Yeah, I suppose it might be possible he's innocent, but many of the theories supporting it require the involvement of a lot of people conspiring against him. I don't have that much faith in Wisconsin residents to collectively do something that serious, that effectively, without one of them getting drunk and spilling the beans.

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  • Kepler
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by MissThundercat View Post
    It's cute how conspiracy theorists believe thousands of people are in on faking a major event, such as man on the moon and 9/11.

    Clearly, conspiracy theorists have never led a group project for school or have been a project manager. For me in my undergrad, getting 6 people to do their job was HARD.
    And getting them not to b-tch about it is impossible.

    The only way to have a good conspiracy is to involve as few people as possible and kill them off quickly as soon as possible.

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  • MissThundercat
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    It's cute how conspiracy theorists believe thousands of people are in on faking a major event, such as man on the moon and 9/11.

    Clearly, conspiracy theorists have never led a group project for school or have been a project manager. For me in my undergrad, getting 6 people to do their job was HARD.

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    By "nothing to it" I mean taking over remote control of a car. (See link.)
    Understood.

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  • Kepler
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    By "nothing to it" I mean taking over remote control of a car. (See link.)
    I got it, anyway.

    I assume that while obviously they would murder anybody who threatened them there are way easier ways to do it.

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  • The Sicatoka
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    By "nothing to it" I mean taking over remote control of a car. (See link.)

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    I saw nothing in that article speaking to Michael Hastings death and nothing that broaches the cia’s Use of hacking vehicles for Assassinations???

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  • mookie1995
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    this is nothing new. how long ago was high anxiety made anyhows? poor dick van patten

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
    Here’s one, you may recall Michael Hastings’ Reporting on Iraq, particularly his book The Operators, took down general Stanley McChrystal. He was working a big story on John Brennan when he was killed, or, suffered a single car accident where, well...https://t.co/QOLe9ErPcq


    60 minutes reported about 10 years ago people could hack cars. Vault7 from Wikileaks confirmed cia has this in their arsenal to dispose of people with no trace back to Langley. Is that what happened here? I have no idea.

    Nothing to it.
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hacker...-jeep-highway/

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  • solovsfett
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Lisa Pease discusses her RFK research on cspan: https://t.co/6todFxmCUc?amp=1

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  • solovsfett
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Here’s one, you may recall Michael Hastings’ Reporting on Iraq, particularly his book The Operators, took down general Stanley McChrystal. He was working a big story on John Brennan when he was killed, or, suffered a single car accident where, well...https://t.co/QOLe9ErPcq


    60 minutes reported about 10 years ago people could hack cars. Vault7 from Wikileaks confirmed cia has this in their arsenal to dispose of people with no trace back to Langley. Is that what happened here? I have no idea.

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  • Kepler
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
    I won’t state I unequivocally believe this because I have only this video to go on. But at this point with what i’m Reading now of post-jfk cia, I don’t discount anything.
    It's called the burden of proof, not the burden of disproof.

    I'm not saying the CIA wouldn't have murdered Ryan. Obviously, given they murdered the sitting president and their delusional Messianic complex, they'd murder anybody. But there can't just be means, motive, and opportunity -- all three of which, with the Agency in particular and the IC in general, will always be present. There must be evidence and parsimony. With Ryan, like with Malcolm, it is much simpler and more likely he was murdered by other actors with other motives.
    Last edited by Kepler; 04-04-2019, 01:23 PM.

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The CIA murdered JFK and probably RFK, yes, obviously. It's possible they murdered MLK. Perhaps they just had a thing about TLAs.

    Let's give the probabilities:

    .95 JFK (I mean, duh)
    .67 RFK
    .50 MLK

    But Ryan was murdered by Jim Jones. That may have been extremely good news for the CIA, but I see nothing to connect events. Sometimes the china breaks by itself.
    There’s a video called Evidence Of Revision out on dvd where the argument is made that Jonestown was part of a cia program akin to mkultra and documents Jim jones as being an asset of the company not just in Jonestown but stretching back 20 years prior. They assert Leo Ryan was shot on the tarmac as Richard Dwyer (cia) left him by the plane.

    I won’t state I unequivocally believe this because I have only this video to go on. But at this point with what i’m Reading now of post-jfk cia, I don’t discount anything.

    Here is a link, you’ll need to forward a bit to get to Jonestown info.

    https://youtu.be/nus9mnbvflM

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  • Kepler
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    Re: Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
    save for representative Leo Ryan who was murdered for his efforts.
    The CIA murdered JFK and probably RFK, yes, obviously. It's possible they murdered MLK. Perhaps they just had a thing about TLAs.

    Let's give the probabilities:

    .95 JFK (I mean, duh)
    .67 RFK
    .50 MLK

    But Ryan was murdered by Jim Jones. That may have been extremely good news for the CIA, but I see nothing to connect events. Sometimes the china breaks by itself.

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  • solovsfett
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    Very interesting article on Lisa Pease’s RFK book (ahem, looking at you Robert Maheu). In a nutshell, cia basically took over in the 60’s and no oversight since then save for representative Leo Ryan who was murdered for his efforts.

    https://t.co/KswNxo0h5G

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