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  • solovsfett
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    The other astounding fact is the CIA’s Inspector General revealed they had NO EXECUTIVE authority for Castro murder plots. For decades authors like Seymour Hersh pushed the bull**** line that JFK and RFK wanted Castro dead. That was disinformation coming from cia sources.

    IG report here: https://www.history-matters.com/arch...0101_0001a.htm

    And Seymour Hersh’s source? Sam Halpern disinformation specialist. Hear his contempt for JFK here: https://youtu.be/k5mu4iwFZNw now the voiceover didn’t consider the IG’s report he just took Halpern at his word

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    I'd need to read the sources on that.

    Everything I've read has said JFK was a sincere Cold War Liberal with a hatred of communism (and a pathological fear of Maoism which, in retrospect, yeah kinda hard to argue with). He believed that dominoes nonsense.

    Don't get me wrong, the CIA murdered JFK. But they did it to protect themselves, not because they felt JFK was a security threat. They were a bunch of thugs protecting their racket.
    JFK and Vietnam by 20-year military intelligence officer John Newman. His superior iirc, was NSA.

    He details with footnotes to sources the 8 secdef meetings and I believe it was April/May 62 where McNamara told the generals who were in Vietnam to draw up withdrawal plans. They did so and JFK then asked them to speed up the timetable.

    It was the JCS that essentially overruled JFK, ignored his directives and then Dallas happened.

    But Newman sources all of it and McNamara has confirmed the withdrawal plans.

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  • mookie1995
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    I'd need to read the sources on that.

    Everything I've read has said JFK was a sincere Cold War Liberal with a hatred of communism (and a pathological fear of Maoism which, in retrospect, yeah kinda hard to argue with). He believed that dominoes nonsense.

    Don't get me wrong, the CIA murdered JFK. But they did it to protect themselves, not because they felt JFK was a security threat. They were a bunch of thugs protecting their racket.
    Oliver Stone, JKF

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  • Slap Shot
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    I'd need to read the sources on that.

    Everything I've read has said JFK was a sincere Cold War Liberal with a hatred of communism (and a pathological fear of Maoism which, in retrospect, yeah kinda hard to argue with). He believed that dominoes nonsense.

    Don't get me wrong, the CIA murdered JFK. But they did it to protect themselves, not because they felt JFK was a security threat. They were a bunch of thugs protecting their racket.
    I don't think that's necessarily contradictory to the observations from his post if his distrust of the CIA was as stated in his post, but also if he did want to withdraw from Vietnam.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
    told McNamara to get the generals to prepare withdrawal plans from Vietnam
    I'd need to read the sources on that.

    Everything I've read has said JFK was a sincere Cold War Liberal with a hatred of communism (and a pathological fear of Maoism which, in retrospect, yeah kinda hard to argue with). He believed that dominoes nonsense.

    Don't get me wrong, the CIA murdered JFK. But they did it to protect themselves, not because they felt JFK was a security threat. They were a bunch of thugs protecting their racket.

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  • solovsfett
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    56 years ago today Allen Dulles orchestrated the murder of JFK.

    In the preceding year JFK had pursued backdoor peace talks with Kruschev and Castro, initiated the nuclear test ban treaty, guided us peacefully out of the missle crisis, told McNamara to get the generals to prepare withdrawal plans from Vietnam, signed NSAM 263 declaring all troops out by 1965 and stood strongly with non-aligned countries against Dulles and Angleton at cia and the lunatics at JCS Lyman Lemnitzer, Curtis LeMay And Arleighh Burke.

    In 1961-2 JFK thought a coup would come from the JCS/pentagon and he prodded John Frankenheimer to film 7 days in May. After the missle crisis he and Robert realized a coup would come from the CIA so in desperation JFK had Robert work 1 day a week at Langley in an effort to watch over the out of control agency and Robert hired 3-4 bay of pigs vets to keep an eye on Cuban cia assets for evidence of a plot they knew was underway. One month before Dallas JFK had his friend Arthur Krock write this astounding oped in The NY Times:

    http://www.blackopradio.com/krock.htm
    Last edited by solovsfett; 11-22-2019, 12:44 PM.

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  • solovsfett
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    Astounding phone call, skip to about 2 minutes in.

    Warren Commission member Richard Russell tells LBJ he doesn’t buy the single bullet theory, LBJ admits he doesn’t buy it either.

    https://t.co/Q4IIqSLBWH?amp=1

    Russell was 1 of 3 WC members who didn’t believe Specter’s bull****. The other 2 being Hale Boggs and John Sherman Cooper.

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  • Kepler
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    As God is my witness, up until this moment I believed these people were kidding. Then I read, "it's Satan" and now I totally believe they are sincere.

    I look forward to the Ohio state leg ruling it illegal to mark the Earth is flat as a wrong answer.

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  • mookie1995
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    https://nypost.com/2019/11/17/navy-u...9844-719164761

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  • solovsfett
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    The counter coup begins with knowledge...
    https://t.co/6OqGkyMqwF?amp=1

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  • solovsfett
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    Here is the text of Arthur Krock’s NYT op-ed Of 11-3-63.


    http://www.blackopradio.com/krock.htm

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    All of the evidence was destroyed long ago. For god's sake, they murdered our president. What, they're gonna respect documentation archiving regulations?
    Probably true for the paper trail that is a direct link (travel vouchers, notes of meetings with Cubans or cutouts like Maheu etc) but there are 15,236 files at Nara that are redacted in full or in part that the next potus will have to deal with.

    The other aspect is as Seymour Hersh found when looking for the truth about Frank Olson...there evidently is an enormous archive of all of their ops hidden away where who knows what type of clearance it takes to read but Hersh’s contact at Langley had access and told him the files clearly indicated the truth about olson’s Murder. I think at some level they want that archived and are **** proud that so many of their deranged plots have been successes the msm is afraid to talk about.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    If the Catholic Church still has files on abusive clergy.....
    That's for extortion if those guys step outta line.

    "I see your collections are down. Nice parish ya got 'ere. Be a shame if something 'appened to it."

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  • joecct
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    All of the evidence was destroyed long ago. For god's sake, they murdered our president. What, they're gonna respect documentation archiving regulations?
    If the Catholic Church still has files on abusive clergy.....

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
    It would take an extraordinary person to do that. I briefly wondered if tD would reveal them by allowing the jfk files to be released in full but when he met with pompeo and changed his mind it was business as usual.

    Anyone who’d travel the path of overnsighting and/or indicting people from the agency risk their life.
    It’s remarkable that about a half dozen people have tried in the past and knew what the outcome could be but did it anyway. True moral courage is n my view.

    If i’m Trump and the whistleblower is cia (and i’m No fan of trump) i’d Call NARA now and tell them to release the files in full unredacted today and make sure a good dozen trustworthy people were there for the reveal so more files don’t wander off.

    As Jeff Morley (former wapo reporter) said of the delay to 2021: trump saved the agency (albeit temporarily) by delaying the release.
    All of the evidence was destroyed long ago. For god's sake, they murdered our president. What, they're gonna respect documentation archiving regulations?

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