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Originally posted by SJHovey
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Now give us your next bothsides false equivalency, please.
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We aren't the ones calling for journalists to be sued for "libel", jailed, and/or assassinated.
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I'm not even arguing. I just think it's funny when Trump screams "fake news" about the NYT, then I come here and you and Handy scream "fake news" about the NYT.Originally posted by Kepler View PostThat community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.Comment
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Wait, wait, I might have missed something.Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
There's a difference between Trump calling the NY Times fake news, and a bunch of posters on a niche website calling Maggie Haberman the insufferable b*tch she is because she writes (or withholds information from) her Trump pieces so that she doesn't lose her precious access when the man-baby'a feelings are hurt by the truth.“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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All the same thing.Originally posted by aparch View Post**NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.
Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.Comment
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I'm not talking specifically about Handy's obsession with Maggie.Originally posted by aparch View Post
I'm pretty sure that if you were to check out the past posts of Handy and Kep and maybe a few others on this site, you'd find multiple posts attacking the NYT and other mainstream media. I'm also pretty sure I'm not going to be the one to go back and look for them, because I really don't care.
I don't claim they attack the NYT or other mainstream media for the same reasons as Trump, although I have private opinions on that.
I also don't care if people like or don't like the NYT, or other mainstream media. My personal opinion is that it's not as bad as it's sometimes made out to be on this site, and certainly not as bad as Trump makes it out to me.
As I said, I personally just find it amusing.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.Comment
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Who's calling "fake news"?Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
Any criticism from this side has more to do with their failure to actually report the real stories, not that what they do report is stuff critical of "our side" and we don't like that, so we'll just call it "fake news"What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?Comment
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yes, the failure of all of our organizations is quite amusing. And then you wonder why everything's all gone to ****.Originally posted by SJHovey View PostWhat kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?Comment
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If you must keep quoting him...
My "attacks" on the NYT are that they choose their points of emphasis based on what comfortable upper middle class Northeastern whites like me want to read about. I do not equate their "sanitized for your protection" Ivy perspective with the outright fabrications of the Rightwing Yokel media.
The NYT is like the Democratic party. In a perfect world we would methodically capture them and turn them into a force for good, but it's not a perfect world. We are up against fascists, and we need to ally with comfortable, smug centrists and everybody else to defeat the existential threat of Mordor.
Having done which, we'll be coming for the West Wing types, next.
America will be a safe and happy place to live again when our two major parties are the current moderate capitalist nice front lawn Democrats and a "lunatic" Left who would ensure the homeless are taken care of before rich people can have their tenth home. You know... radicals!
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The problems are the Libertarians. Every time Bill Maher has one on and showers them with affection I want to puke.Originally posted by Kepler View Post**NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.
Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.Comment
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I think the complaints about Haberman and the NYT is that they trade integrity for access. That's not at all the same as the whiny MAGA complaints about literally everything that doesn't sufficient blow the former guyI gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...Comment
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I have a soft spot for Libertarians because I was a young STEMLORD once myself. I believe they have the power to evolve into human beings. They have good logical skills. They just have to realize that logical positivism was buried with its own contradictions 72 years ago when Quine published The Two Dogmas of Empiricism in 1950.Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostCornell University
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Yes. In the sin of Access Journalism the NYT is the same as the three senile networks and CNN and MSNBC. That sucks, and it contributes to their corporate owners' agenda of maintaining the status quo, but it's not the same as the outright lying of the Right.Originally posted by Swansong View PostCornell University
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Sure.Originally posted by Swansong View Post
I don't claim that the motive or methods of MAGA/Trump are identical with those of people here, like Handy and Kep. Also, I don't claim that Handy or Kep advocate for hanging journalists.
It is the implied message that is same -- Do not trust what you read in the mainstream media.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.Comment
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