Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[BassAle]

just got my Moderna booster (first dose was back in January). Now I wonder if I'll need an omicron specific booster in a few months (I believe Moderna has indicated they could have an omicron vaccine update ready by February)

[Swansong]

just got my Moderna booster (first dose was back in January). Now I wonder if I'll need an omicron specific booster in a few months (I believe Moderna has indicated they could have an omicron vaccine update ready by February)

They said the same about a Delta-specific booster too. The nice thing about mRNA technology is that it's easy to make minor changes to tweak it. The issue is the testing/approvals. The FDA/CDC have shown a preference for slow and deliberate process, to the detriment of many people's health, and haven't really indicated that they'd allow a modified vaccine to skip the full slate of clinical trials as far as I'm aware (though I'm open to being wrong here).


There is a LOT of very mixed information on Omicron. It's probably best to ignore the media for a couple of weeks (or, you know, like, forever) and let the researchers figure it out. Right now we're getting incendiary and scare-mongering nonsense and not much more.

[BassAle]

They said the same about a Delta-specific booster too. The nice thing about mRNA technology is that it's easy to make minor changes to tweak it. The issue is the testing/approvals. The FDA/CDC have shown a preference for slow and deliberate process, to the detriment of many people's health, and haven't really indicated that they'd allow a modified vaccine to skip the full slate of clinical trials as far as I'm aware (though I'm open to being wrong here).


There is a LOT of very mixed information on Omicron. It's probably best to ignore the media for a couple of weeks (or, you know, like, forever) and let the researchers figure it out. Right now we're getting incendiary and scare-mongering nonsense and not much more.

They found the existing vaccine provided good enough protection from Delta, especially from severe disease. Moderna does not sound as hopeful for Omicron, but who knows right now. They're not even sure it will outcompete Delta at this point.

What I've read is that the approval process for an update of this kind would be relatively quick, and wouldn't need a phase III clinical trial. It would just require a few dozen volunteers to prove efficacy and it wouldn't need a full safety review.

[Swansong]

They found the existing vaccine provided good enough protection from Delta, especially from severe disease. Moderna does not sound as hopeful for Omicron, but who knows right now. They're not even sure it will outcompete Delta at this point.

What I've read is that the approval process for an update of this kind would be relatively quick, and wouldn't need a phase III clinical trial. It would just require a few dozen volunteers to prove efficacy and it wouldn't need a full safety review.

I think the bolded is key. To my understanding, it hasn't really "gone up against Delta" in a meaningful way yet. Beta looked terrifying but Delta buried it. Gamma, Lambda and Mu were all crowded out by Delta as well and have been relegated to regional issues. Omicron might do the same.


Or it may reset everything. We just don't know yet, and the media shamefully spending hours on it (either scare mongering or mocking/dismissing) doesn't help anyone.

[Handyman]

To me, it depends on the location. IMHO, a vaccine mandate here in Ann Arbor will go over really well. In some town in West Michigan, the schools will crumble.

I live in a Blue Area in a Blue Suburb of a Blue City in a Blue State...it will get pushback here. (our dickhead Mayor is against it cause Jesus)

You are asking low ranking administrators and school boards to implement a policy that half the people will fight to the death over. How well did that go over in Virginia?

You can't piecemeal your way through this...all it will take is one judge to throw the whole thing off and even if it does go into effect you will have kids being forced to transfer by their ****nut parents. The lowest level this can come from is the State level cause at least Governors can usually weather the storm.

[Handyman]

I think the bolded is key. To my understanding, it hasn't really "gone up against Delta" in a meaningful way yet. Beta looked terrifying but Delta buried it. Gamma, Lambda and Mu were all crowded out by Delta as well and have been relegated to regional issues. Omicron might do the same.


Or it may reset everything. We just don't know yet, and the media shamefully spending hours on it (either scare mongering or mocking/dismissing) doesn't help anyone.

Right now all we can do is go off what the doctors in SA are saying which makes it sound like the same stuff we heard about COVID originally. Younger people tend to have milder symptoms the risk is with the old.

[Jeb2020]

Agreed. Adding the Covid vaccine to the list of required school immunizations would be favored by a significant majority in my home town. Of course there will be some loud vocal *******s who would speak out against it.

It’s unethical to require, mandate, force, whichever term you want to spin with, a medical treatment that someone does not have a medical need for.

As if that wasn’t enough, it is absurd to do so with a treatment that does not offer immunity and does not stop infection.

#FreakShow

[dxmnkd316]

Not happening. It's now in the whitetail deer population. A large percentage of harvested deer in Maine are testing positive for Covid antibodies.

That's my point. It's not happening. It can never happen.

[rufus]

I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.

"But the immigrants are stealing our jahbs!!!!"

[rufus]

It's not a one size fits all problem. Rural school districts may have problems attracting candidates in any field.

And why is it that backwards bum**** places have trouble finding educated and qualified people who want to work there?

[MichVandal]

And why is it that backwards bum**** places have trouble finding educated and qualified people who want to work there?

Not that this is the right tangent, but there is a new guy here in Michigan running for governor and thinks that kids are not being educated, but indoctrinated. Yea, that's how we get good teachers- tell them all that they are not teaching.

[ericredaxe]

It’s unethical to require, mandate, force, whichever term you want to spin with, a medical treatment that someone does not have a medical need for.

As if that wasn’t enough, it is absurd to do so with a treatment that does not offer immunity and does not stop infection.

#FreakShow

This is a moronic take on this. Immunization requirements for schools go back over a century and has continually been updated over the years.

[ScoobyDoo]

George Washington mandated the smallpox vaccine. Yeah, that George Washington.

[dxmnkd316]

George Washington mandated the smallpox vaccine. Yeah, that George Washington.

It wasn't a vaccine. At least not in the traditional sense.

[ScoobyDoo]

It wasn't a vaccine. At least not in the traditional sense.

We can agree it was a mandated medical treatment?