Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[JF_Gophers]

Vaccine passports. Simple.

That'll never fly. People won't wear masks. But they're gonna be ok with restricted movement based on government tracking of a vaccine?

[Swansong]

That'll never fly. People won't wear masks. But they're gonna be ok with restricted movement based on government tracking of a vaccine?

We won't have anything so formal, but the fact is almost every cruise company, travel agency, airline, probably a lot of hotel chains, Disney and a host of other leisure activities are going to require documented proof of vaccinations.

People are welcome to "exercise their choice" to be staggeringly ignorant and not get vaccinated but they're going to find that their world is pretty small.

[BassAle]

Shutting it down is insane. Appears to be young women related. So give that group a different vaccine and give J and J to the rest of us. I guess I'm glad I got mine done yesterday. My daughter is in that group and got J and J on Saturday. She looked at the math and is not worried about it.

Yeah, I think the most they should have done is pause it's use for women of child bearing age for now "out of an abundance of caution".

[Drew S.]

We won't have anything so formal, but the fact is almost every cruise company, travel agency, airline, probably a lot of hotel chains, Disney and a host of other leisure activities are going to require documented proof of vaccinations.

People are welcome to "exercise their choice" to be staggeringly ignorant and not get vaccinated but they're going to find that their world is pretty small.

I hope this happens. I know I sure as **** don't want to be around unvaccinated people and I think the vast majority of folks feel same way as me.

[BassAle]

Agreed. I thought I read in the article that this was a particularly rare clotting syndrome though. Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. It also mentioned this required something other than heparin to treat, which caught my eye.

from Dr. Wiki:
Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis is rare, with an estimated 3-4 cases per million annual incidence in adults. While it may occur in all age groups, it is most common in the third decade. 75% are female. Given that older studies show no difference in incidence between men and women, it has been suggested that the use of?? oral contraceptives?? in women is behind the disparity between the sexes.


so in other words, 7 million people have gotten the vaccine, six people developed clots. We'd expect 21-28 people to develop clots in a group of similar size. I'd say there's evidence the vaccine helps prevent clots ;-)

3-4 cases per million per year. It's been less than a year, so we'd expect fewer than 21-28.

Based on what you quoted, 75% of these types of clots occur in women, and it's assumed the disparity is caused by oral contraceptives. Considering all of these clots in the group vaccinated with J&J occurred in women aged 18-48, I think the right thing to do would be to pause for women of child bearing age while they find out if these clots were caused by oral contraceptives or the vaccine.

[Handyman]

That'll never fly. People won't wear masks. But they're gonna be ok with restricted movement based on government tracking of a vaccine?

Tell them it is like a gun license...they will be fine. If the FREEDUMBERS!1!1! can't handle it they cant ****ing leave I am done with them. That includes the Armed Forces where like 40% of Marines havent taken the shot. **** them.

I doubt the J&J news will stop people from getting the vaccine...J&J was the one people seemed to trust the least anyways. We should have more than enough Pfizer and Moderna at this point to cover until things are figured out.

[mookie1995]

Mookie took his first Pfizer jab like a man today ;-)

[LynahFan]

Tell them it is like a gun license...they will be fine.

I take it you've never heard of "constitutional carry?" Gun licenses are definitely not fine with the hard core freedumberers.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Tens of millions of people were already not going to get the vaccine.

I think we're going to hit a point here in early to mid-May where it'll be as easy to get a Covid shot in this country as it is to buy a bag of chips. You'll be able to walk in and get one. We'll be begging people to get the shots, and we'll be at about 50% of the public vaccinated.

At that point, politicians are going to have a very interesting problem on their hands. There is still going to be Covid and hospitalizations and deaths, and maybe still at decent rates, but no one will be getting vaccinated anymore in any sort of volume. So now what do they do? Open things up fully?

At that point everyone will be fully open and if you didn't get vaccinated for political/conspiratorial or pseudo-scientific reasons, that's your problem.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

We won't have anything so formal, but the fact is almost every cruise company, travel agency, airline, probably a lot of hotel chains, Disney and a host of other leisure activities are going to require documented proof of vaccinations.

People are welcome to "exercise their choice" to be staggeringly ignorant and not get vaccinated but they're going to find that their world is pretty small.

Yep. If you aren't getting the shot, you'd better be the type happy to sit at home or take a driving or camping vacation.

[Handyman]

I take it you've never heard of "constitutional carry?" Gun licenses are definitely not fine with the hard core freedumberers.

Well they werent getting the vaccine anyways so I guess I dont see what all of the handwringing is all about.

The J&J announcement is not going to convince anyone who was waiting to get a shot it is a bad idea. It might convince them to avoid THAT shot but the only people who won't get a shot are the ones who never wanted to get a shot.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

That'll never fly. People won't wear masks. But they're gonna be ok with restricted movement based on government tracking of a vaccine?

What if we made a national Voter ID card that happened to have vaccination info on it?

[LynahFan]

What if we made a national Voter ID card that happened to have vaccination info on it?

You misspelled "chip." :-)

[JF_Gophers]

What if we made a national Voter ID card that happened to have vaccination info on it?

As long as bipoc dont have access to it, they may take that deal.

[Drew S.]

Well they werent getting the vaccine anyways so I guess I dont see what all of the handwringing is all about.

The J&J announcement is not going to convince anyone who was waiting to get a shot it is a bad idea. It might convince them to avoid THAT shot but the only people who won't get a shot are the ones who never wanted to get a shot.

I think there are a decent amount of people, say 10-20%, who were on the fence before this news. This likely pushes some of them into the camp of not getting the vaccine.