Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Handyman]

100%.

We can way more than afford it. Hell, we’ve done it to farmers to the tune of 40% of their income this year.

Something something SOCIALISM!!!!

[Jeb2020]

I’m going to unload some questions that have been rattling around in my head for a few weeks now. Not directed at you, just asking the universe.
4-6 weeks to create, how many weeks to ramp production?
What happens to the existing doses?
What happens to people who have already had their vaccine?
What about people who have one dose?
Can we double up to get the variants at the same time? Would it be a single “configuration” to get both or just go after the dominant strain? Or would you get a cocktail?

Bat Sh*t crazy ^^

CovidZombie

[MichVandal]

100%.

We can way more than afford it. Hell, we’ve done it to farmers to the tune of 40% of their income this year.

It's pretty weak that we have socialism for huge corporations, but can't pay small business owners to stay closed. Amazon is run by the richest guy in the world, and he could pay his workers a lot of money to work in bad conditions, and also afford plenty of PPE- let alone the idea that that company has done really well....

And instead of paying airline workers who are laid off directly, we give it to the companies, who then filter it down through people who are still working. Makes no sense.

But the idea that a small restaurant owner pretty much has to stay open so that they can have *some* income for the owners and workers when they could get direct support- that's pretty insane. Ignore the morons who cry "freedumb"- there are plenty of owners who would be happy to shut down for 3 months if they got paid to do so- which would be cheaper than paying Delta, and more effective at preventing spread..... Kills me.

Welfare for people who don't need it is totally fine, but for those who require it is the worst thing. How so many people have gotten duped over that is crazy- and there have been MANY on this board who complain about welfare for the poor, but have no problem for the same thing for the rich and large corporations.

[psych]

Over the noon hour I saw an interview with the Governor of West Virginia. I believe they have everyone in their nursing homes vaccinated, and I think they have their healthcare workers vaccinated. He said that they're starting on everyone 80 and above. When they run out of those people, they're going 70 and above, and then 60 and above, and so on. As he pointed out, it's not exactly rocket science. Get it into the arms of the aged and everything takes care of itself.

Don’t start agreeing with the current guidelines too quickly. I read an article last night that said the pathetic rollout in many states means we’re nearing your “most pragmatic” approach of just sticking it in “anyone’s arm at large stadiums” to not let too much vaccine go to waste. Yikes.
As a healthcare worker, I’m disappointed that 50% of us are refusing to take it in many places. Unless you have a legitimate medical reason, take the **** vaccine.

Edit: Props to West Virginia and the Dakotas for quickly distributing their doses so far. Healthcare workers/nursing home residents were the “easy” ones to vaccinate, and they’re getting it done in spades. I find it possible to acknowledge they’re capable of doing a good job and still acknowledge it could be more difficult for a state like California to get it done quickly for a number of reasons.

[St. Clown]

I gotta assume Walz figures a lot of places are skirting the rules anyways and are willing to lose their business to do so what is the point. He can't really do anything anymore and too many people just dont care.

At this point I have no clue anymore. The amount of people willing to risk their lives to eat crappy food at mediocre restaurants for stupid prices just astounds me. The amount of business owners willing to risk their workers and their customers lives is even crazier. The priorities of America are so out of whack I dont think there is any way to solve it. Do the right thing and you are a tyrant, do the wrong thing and people die.

(I am not supporting or ripping Walz with this post...in all honesty I am glad I dont have his job)

I know of one bar that filed to become a church when the second round of restrictions went into place. They have about 20-25 regulars that show up most nights, there's a daily reading, they make "donations" and then the drinks and food are "donated" for all to consume buffet style. The owner of the bar already happened to be a minister a while back so he could perform a wedding for some friends.

Other bars are still open, and they're not taking the time to even attempt being clever in skirting the rules.

[Swansong]

I got dose 2 of Pfizer last night. Sore arm, as with dose 1, but no fever or anything else yet. The third arm has shrunken nicely and is no longer a conversation starter.

[St. Clown]

When I was a kid in school, I recall seeing pictures of the polio vaccine being administered with people lined up everywhere, almost like the old WWII recruiting stations doing the qualifying physicals. Why is it so hard to get something like that setup today when we were able to do it 70 years ago?

[Kepler]

The third arm has shrunken nicely and is no longer a conversation starter.

Best description of ED ever.

[SJHovey]

When I was a kid in school, I recall seeing pictures of the polio vaccine being administered with people lined up everywhere, almost like the old WWII recruiting stations doing the qualifying physicals. Why is it so hard to get something like that setup today when we were able to do it 70 years ago?

It's one of my most distinct recollections of elementary school. A massive line of kids down the hallway, and at the end the line you turned into a room where a surly looking woman holding what looked like a .44 magnum in her hand scowled, rolled up your sleeve and it was done.

[Kepler]

It's almost as if spending fifty years cynically berating the public sector and starving it of resources because "government can't solve problems" and "private enterprise is freedom and government is communism" in order to maximize private fortunes and business interests put a dent in the ability of our society to deliver necessary services in situations in which user fees are not appropriate.

It's almost as if conservative economic ideology is a death sentence.

[Swansong]

When I was a kid in school, I recall seeing pictures of the polio vaccine being administered with people lined up everywhere, almost like the old WWII recruiting stations doing the qualifying physicals. Why is it so hard to get something like that setup today when we were able to do it 70 years ago?

It's a production issue issue primarily, and an administration issue secondarily. We (the world) do not have enough doses yet to do this. Beyond that, since there was a stunning and catastrophic lack of direction from our federal government, everyone has been scrambling to figure out what's required to store, prepare, administer and document this. A functioning federal government would have resolved that issue ahead of time, but the production would have been there regardless.

I've read some articles stating that the DPA could have aided the production issues, but I remain unconvinced on that.


Complicating things are the fact that these first two approved vaccines are two-dose vaccines and require the second dose in a pretty tight cadence. Seeing CVS and Walgreens advertising that they can administer these two makes me incredibly nervous - how are they ensuring patients return? Are they at all?

[Kepler]

The entrepreneurial spirit.

Eventbrite sites posing as local Florida health departments have reportedly targeted seniors in the state by charging money for fake vaccination appointments, prompting local health officials to issue warnings to residents Monday.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) issued an executive order on Dec. 23 mandating that those 65 and older would be among the first people of the general public to receive the vaccine, after health care workers and those living in long-term care facilities.

According to Pasco County health department spokesperson Melissa Watts, some seniors have recently arrived at vaccination centers in the county claiming to have appointments, only to find out their reservation was fraudulent, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

The Eventbrite websites reportedly charged people to schedule appointments, prompting officials in both Pasco and Pinellas counties to notify residents that there is no cost to register for a COVID-19 vaccine.

[BassAle]

this is pretty interesting (at least to me) - it's a description of the mRNA in the biontech/pfizer vaccine as if it were a computer program:

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/re...pfizer-vaccine

[Handyman]

Texas Man Went to Trial COVID Positive Jurors Not Told They Were Exposed Until After Deliberations

The defendant had been unaware of his test result, but Brazos County jail officials knew. Pratt should never have been allowed to leave an isolated cell, let alone been taken to the courthouse in a county vehicle while seated next to another defendant who then sat in another courtroom all day. The sheriff blamed a lack of communication between detention and transport staff, a problem he later said was remedied with better signage in isolation wards and updated lists of inmates who’ve tested positive.

The next morning, Smith let the jury finish deliberating while Pratt stayed in isolation at the jail. When jurors reached a verdict, Smith told them they’d all potentially been exposed to the coronavirus and the case would be recessed for at least two weeks while everyone went into quarantine.

The jury wasn’t allowed to announce if it found Pratt guilty or innocent because the defendant wasn’t present.

In the courtroom next door, where the trial for Pratt’s earlier car companion, Charles Raines, was still ongoing, the judge declared a mistrial after telling the jurors they had been potentially exposed to the virus. Raines tested positive for the coronavirus soon after.

[Handyman]

225k new cases and almost 3500 deaths...

So since the Election is ending the disease if the EC votes are counted tomorrow does this all end or because they probably will file more lawsuits will it end at noon on the 20th? Asking for some undocumented workers in Nebraska and people who eat meat ;^)