Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Jeb2020]

Jeb, from this post on page 2...
07-19-2020, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
What do you mean hype? Nothing is hyped except by those like you who don't take this seriously.


California is imposing more lockdown type measures and is taking about even more strict measure.

They have had mandatory masks for quite sometime. So much for that.

Do you have this much trouble with other easy logic trains? Yes, they mandated masks awhile back. That doesn't mean everyone actually wore them AND, since as much as 50% of the spread is attributable to "super-spreader" events, if people aren't social distancing and wearing masks, it actually proves just how contagious the virus really is which, in turn proves that, without a vaccine, really avoiding crowds -- especially indoors -- is critical to minimizing spread/hospitalizations/deaths. You know, avoiding moving around as much as possible...

And then like magic when the virus dies out it will be because everyone was in compliance with masks, yeah that will be it.

You can hide under your bed but no one else. Get over the whole lock down thing or don't I don't care.

[Jeb2020]

Jeb, from another of your winning posts from page 2...

07-19-2020, 06:10 PM

4/ “We will be down about where we were with the swine flu: around 0.1-0.3% which is much lower than what we think because at the moment we are seeing the case fatality."

https://mobile.twitter.com/aginnt/st...59482544631810

From the same Tweet.... 3/ "If you follow the New Zealand policy of suppressing it to zero and locking down the country forever, then you’re going to have a problem…

Since almost even the most skeptical immunologists are now saying we'll very likely have an effective vaccine by early 2021, how in God's name does doing more stringent stay-at-home orders for 9 months meet any sane person's definition of "locking down the country forever"? Can you please provide specific rationale for how 9 months is "forever"? I'm really struggling with that because in the current context, I'd think that you'd need a lock down of at least 18 - 24 months to come close to meeting the definition of forever...

No one is locking down for 9 months. You have to be a complete extremist nutcase to think that is the solution to anything. You can lock yourself down until there is a vaccine, go for it.

[Jeb2020]

Jeb, page post...

07-19-2020, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by alfablue View Post

And pneumonia deaths with some kind of odd flu deaths would be super high at this point too. No covid, though....

Since these are all preventable deaths, this is very criminal.


Jeb's response to alfa... "Please explain how these are all preventable. Let’s start with the nursing home deaths. Give it your best shot."

Ok Jeb, this is such a stupid statement that I don't need to give it even my worst shot. If you have an actual lock down that's enforced, evidence would indicate that you'd have a hell of a lot less virus ever getting into the nursing homes to start with. Which, any normal individual would understand would significantly reduce deaths in those homes. Pretty simple really. Well, maybe not for you but, certainly for most people.

Man you are all lockdown, that is the answer to everything. Doesn't even knowledge that very sick and old people were cut off from their family and had to go it alone which has never been done before. and in addition to that the states where nursing homes were hit the hardest had some of the poorest policies imaginable.

[Jeb2020]

Oh Jeb, almost forgot. Again, from the above post originally from page 3 regarding your criticism of Birx and Fauci not recommending the wearing of masks back in March where you asked, "Was the science not evolved enough in March of 2020?"...

Actually, considering this is a brand new virus and, at that time it was only 4-6 months old, ummm, NO... the science hadn't evolved enough at that time. That, and due to the complete failure of the administration to increase PPE, a big part of the scientists not recommending masks was that they were trying to avoid even more shortages since the science behind the effectiveness of masks was so inconclusive at that time. Hell, up until the last couple days, the leading science was telling us that younger kids were not only far less likely to get infected but, they didn't pass the virus very easily either. Wrong...

Now kids ages 10-19 can get it just as easily as anyone else and, can spread it just as easily as well. Why is the concept that this thing is literally evolving/changing by the day so difficult for people like you to understand and except?

It is not a brand new virus it is a corona virus you Extremist Dolt. This virus doesn't work different in regards to masks than the decades of studies out there about mask wearing.

No kids don't get it just as easily and don't spread it just as easily. You are completely whack and could actually be a danger to the public.

[Jeb2020]

Jeb, from one of your posts on page 3...

07-19-2020, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by alfablue View Post

It's curious how quickly people want to roll things back. I know there was a TON of impatience here in Michigan, but Governor Whitmere held her ground, and let the science say when things can open back up. Even then, because people could not take care of themselves, we had to put in a mask order to prevent it from coming back.

The fact that the whole mask thing has become so political is almost criminal. There's SO MUCH SCIENCE backing the facts around masks, it's not even funny. But if you find one study that shows a specific kind of mask of unknown origin, that means masks are bad- even if that same study shows that masks are REALLY effective.

Plenty of data out there telling people how to find the right materials for both filtering in and out, plenty of data that shows how quickly things change when they are added to social distancing, plenty of it. But since idiots want to think that the person they so much worship and honor and fall over their fates over says they are bad- people are just too dumb to think for themselves.

Then again, when you see people who are supposed to be smart and caring meet up in a large group to sing, and then people die. Repeat after it's happened before... yea, thinking is not part of their M.O.

I'm sure some regurgitation of information will be used to argue against this. I'll go out and find even more new data supporting masks and separations. And remember that these deaths are preventable. Like drunk driving.


Jeb's comments...

Science for lockdowns? LMAO

And So much of that Great Science for masks. So great, masks weren’t even mentioned in the dooms day scenarios.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSch...07428052705280

There is no mention of masks in Birx and Fauci’s infamous models (IHME and Imperial UK), which were used to shut down not just the country, but the entire world. Was the science not evolved enough in March of 2020?

https://medium.com/@JordanSchachtel/...t-9dff41a6d626


In response to your "Science for lockdowns?" LMAO....

Link to various scientific articles regarding lockdowns;

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ted-infections

"Lockdowns may have averted 531 million coronavirus infections

In the United States alone, an estimated 60 million infections were avoided, researchers say"


Next Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN23F1G3

From the article:

LONDON (Reuters) - Lockdowns imposed to curb the spread of COVID-19 have saved millions of lives and easing them now carries high risks, according to two international studies published on Monday. “The risk of a second wave happening if all interventions and all precautions are abandoned is very real,” Samir Bhatt, who co-led one of the studies by researchers at Imperial College London, told reporters in a briefing.

By comparing the number of deaths counted with deaths predicted by their model if no lockdown measures had been introduced, they found some 3.1 million deaths were averted.

Jeb, these are just 2 of a number of articles from various respected publications that easily prove the "science" behind the effectiveness of lockdowns. Are you really this lazy? Or, is it just a lack of intelligence?

You are using models that have been completely wrong at every turn. The modeling has been the biggest joke of this entire thing. If you believe the models then you should be happy the US is where it is because the models predicted complete catastrophe.

[First Time, Long Time]

It's a novel coronavirus meaning it is a new strain of a previously known type. So yes it is new.

[Jeb2020]

It's a novel coronavirus meaning it is a new strain of a previously known type. So yes it is new.

In regards to masks. There is nothing new about how this virus interacts with mask wearing than viruses researched from the previous number of decades.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs [randomized controlled trials] that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks…”

“Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids… There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

“In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission.”

“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility…”

[mookie1995]

In regards to masks. There is nothing new about how this virus interacts with mask wearing than viruses researched from the previous number of decades.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs [randomized controlled trials] that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks…”

“Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids… There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

“In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission.”

“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility…”

there is nothing new here. it is common knowledge that peeps should be using n95 at worst.

of course if the war powers act had been used properly from the start and 3m was told to start mass production........

[Jeb2020]

there is nothing new here. it is common knowledge that peeps should be using n95 at worst.

of course if the war powers act had been used properly from the start and 3m was told to start mass production........

Yet how many do you see when you go out?

the most popular right now is the surgical mask which does absolutely nothing.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

of course if the war powers act had been used properly from the start and 3m was told to start mass production........

Nope, that's socialism. We can't do that.

[Kepler]

There is a brewing political crisis for the government in Japan because their COVID death toll just passed 1000 and the public and opposition party are accusing them of gross malfeasance and incompetence.

[Kepler]

FL and CA are now trending to pass NY for most cases sometime next week. TX will pass NY in 2 weeks.

[leswp1]

Just got an email they are having in person Clinical in the Fall for the course I do. Start up meeting on 8/24. Respond if you are coming.
No information at all about what they are doing, how they are doing it, what their protocol is, will we need to be tested, etc.
It is in Nursing Homes- last Fall one of the NH I went to was horrific- so bad I considered if I needed to report them. They subsequently made the paper with a staff death, numerous staff positives and a very large #of pt deaths and positive cases (they are part of a chain- why chains suck). The other place I have been going to for almost 5 yrs has come thru this OK because they are basically shut to anything outside coming in. But... they were also taken over by a chain last yr after I left and were increasing the patient to staff ratio, employing non-nurses to pass meds and other stuff that means they are also heading down the tubes.

I am in a dilemma. I love what I do and the students rave about me to their Theory instructors so I think I am good at it. But I am asking myself is it really worth it? The pay is terrible. I am an adjunct so no benefits or protections who would be going to an extremely high risk setting. The school tends to problem solve on the fly which in the past has caused problems, was frustrating but I knew it was going to be over in 12 weeks or so. In the past they have promised me one setting and then messed up the planning so sent me to another place (the horror show). My guess is they secured the settings but have not done any of the other planning.

I don't even know what questions to ask before I decide. This is crazy!

Posting on the off chance anyone in here has any knowledge about how they are handling Clinicals, what questions I should ask or considerations. Financially it would be very tight without the $$ but if I get sick what I take in wouldn't come close to covering the costs.

(the fact that I am coming to a hockey message board to gather questions to ask rather than read a list of what they are looking at doing is worrisome)

[Jeb2020]

Nope, that's socialism. We can't do that.

Try again.

[rufus]

It's a novel coronavirus meaning it is a new strain of a previously known type. So yes it is new.

Hence, the 'novel' designation