Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[MichVandal]

I'm not even comparing those things. If you'll read the series of posts, you'll see what I'm talking about is people weighing what they perceive to be the risks associated with various activities.

People understand you can be minding your own business standing in a grocery store and catch COVID. They just don't perceive that there is that great of a risk of dying from it.

And these same people probably supported bombing the life out of Afghanistan for fear of terrorism. Why is it that that such a minor chance of death gets that much attention compared to COVID?

[ScoobyDoo]

And these same people probably supported bombing the life out of Afghanistan for fear of terrorism. Why is it that that such a minor chance of death gets that much attention compared to COVID?

Cause one is science related and the other is emotion related.

[SJHovey]

If you asked a person why they are doing X- seat belt, eating well, good water- there's a high chance they will say it's safe. They may not compare it, but it's also not ignored at the same time. There have been threads on this board that claimed that going to Detroit was too dangerous to them... And much of that is more hyped fear mongering news, too. Just like the threat of terrorism is hyped fear mongering.

But when faced with an actual threat to your life, it's ignored.

BTW, your numbers of 1-10,000 are not good- we are almost at 1-330. That's how bad it is in the US.

The numbers that I used were just for purposes of giving an example of how even though you might be statistically much better off if you got the vaccine, if the risk of death without getting it is still relatively small, that's what people will look at. It wasn't intended as a precise definition of the actual odds.

Personally, I don't think 1-330 is right, either, though, even though we are approaching a million deaths in this country. My guess is your actual odds of dying from it vary based upon age, general health, etc... My examples were intended to depict just the average person in this country. Obviously, someone who is 90 years old, 300 pounds with COPD and diabetes, is probably a lot more worried about dying from the disease than some 35 year old working construction somewhere.

[Swansong]

Conventional wisdom prior to covid was that infection-born immunity (Can we drop the idiotic and loaded term "natural immunity" please?) was "better" than vaccine-born immunity, however there wasn't much in the way of research to bare that out. What does "better" even mean? Plus, since your infection from <foreign entity here> can be wildly varying and strength of immunity (again, a ****ty term here) is usually quite dependant on the infection. Have a mild case of something, and you will likely have "less" immunity than someone who had a strong case. Except when you don't. Caveat emptor, etc. etc. Plus, ya know, you were infected and likely symptomatic (but again, not always), and that is less than ideal.


Meanwhile, vaccine-born immunity is measured, dosed and fairly consistent. At least, it's far more consistent than infection-born immunity. And, ya know, you don't get sick.

I think Covid has really thrown this conventional wisdom on its end. It may still be vaguely true, sorta, in some cases, but people vaccinated and boosted are less likely to be infected than someone who's had Covid. So what does that tell you?



Getting a zillion people vaccinated with a 2 or 3 dose vaccine was a logistical nightmare that other nightmares are made of*. Trying to add in getting tested for antibodies (the tests at this time, I'll add, are ****) when the CDC isn't recommending it for any real purpose, would simply add more insane bull**** to the already complicated process. And for a completely unknown benefit, if any.




*The fact that we managed to vaccinate almost 200 million people in less than a year is absolutely stupifyingly amazing. I was but a tiny, tiny part in the process and I know how much work I did, and I feel like this accomplishment by "us" is incredible. Time Magazine giving that wannabe edgelord Musk the Person of the Year award - instead of "Your Doctors and Nurses and administrators and everyone else involved in any capacity with healthcare" - was pathetic.

[burd]

Rather than seatbelts, maybe a more useful analogy would be the safety chain on a trailer. It's not there to protect only one's own interest against an unlikely occurrence but others' as well. The Right always wants this to be only about the person being vaxxed or wearing a mask, not about others.

[MichVandal]

The numbers that I used were just for purposes of giving an example of how even though you might be statistically much better off if you got the vaccine, if the risk of death without getting it is still relatively small, that's what people will look at. It wasn't intended as a precise definition of the actual odds.

Personally, I don't think 1-330 is right, either, though, even though we are approaching a million deaths in this country. My guess is your actual odds of dying from it vary based upon age, general health, etc... My examples were intended to depict just the average person in this country. Obviously, someone who is 90 years old, 300 pounds with COPD and diabetes, is probably a lot more worried about dying from the disease than some 35 year old working construction somewhere.

It is factual that 1 in 330 Americans have died from COVID19. Mess with the odds all you want, but those are the numbers. Since most of those have come after there has been a vaccine, well. And the last 6 months or so, the deaths were gross majority unvaccinated.

All that tells me that if you want to deny how real this is, you will- just like you have.

Reality is real. Feelings are not.

[rufus]

And these same people probably supported bombing the life out of Afghanistan for fear of terrorism. Why is it that that such a minor chance of death gets that much attention compared to COVID?

Bombing **** is cool.

Gets the juices of patriotic 'Muricans flowing.

[Jimjamesak]

Bombing **** is cool.

Gets the juices of patriotic 'Muricans flowing.

[Handyman]

I think there are a lot of people who don't view their risk of death from COVID as being that great. Let's say that for every 10,000 unvaccinated people, one of them will die from Covid, but for every 1,000,000 people who are vaccinated and boosted, one of them will die from COVID. Now, it seems like a no-brainer to many people that you would get vaccinated.

But I can tell you for certainty that there are a sizable number of people who will look at that and respond, "One out of ten thousand. Sounds pretty unlikely to me." And they are not completely wrong about that. If you have a one out of 10,000 chance of dying from COVID even without the vaccine, you're very unlikely to die from that disease. I state that as someone who has, on rare occasion, made some irresponsible football parlay bets with 10,000 to one odds.

Personally, I'd rather have it a million to one if we're talking about a bullet flying around looking to take someone down. But it's not like it's a coin flip that you're going to die if you don't get the vaccine.

Well then the average person doesn't understand math or science...which is exactly how the Cons wanted it my whole life. What a pathetic society we live in...just greedy, selfish, gluttonous and ignorant.

[MissThundercat]

This feels like I hit the lottery.

Shift lead at my job refused the C-19 vaccine.

She later caught a very nasty case of C-19, is hospitalized, and will be out for awhile.

It's come to light that she refused the C-19 vaccine because her son told her it was Antichrist/Mark Of The Beast stuff.

[Kepler]

It's come to light that she refused the C-19 vaccine because her son told her it was Antichrist/Mark Of The Beast stuff.

How did you wind up in the part of Michigan that borders Mississippi?

[LynahFan]

It is factual that 1 in 330 Americans have died from COVID19. Mess with the odds all you want, but those are the numbers. Since most of those have come after there has been a vaccine, well. And the last 6 months or so, the deaths were gross majority unvaccinated.

All that tells me that if you want to deny how real this is, you will- just like you have.

Reality is real. Feelings are not.

They should just line up 330 Americans outside large gathering spaces, and any time an unvaxxed wants to enter, they have to flip a coin. Heads, no problem. Tails, one of the 330 eats a bullet. Still want to go out partying?

Wait - don’t answer that question. I don’t want to know. (Narrator: he knows)

[Kepler]

Win/win. Get rid of white supremacists and traitors without telling me you are.

[Handyman]

Win/win. Get rid of white supremacists and traitors without telling me you are.

Can't we ship them to Russia since that is who they follow anyways? We can tell them it's an undercover mission.

[Kepler]

COVID as the Trolley Problem: kill 6M to save one.