Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[ScoobyDoo]

Schools were having a difficulty finding teachers before Covid, especially in certain teaching areas and geographic areas.

Probably because we pay them **** for what they have to put up with. I imagine we will be mostly home schooling in the next 50 years or so. The Republican Party has spent the last 40 years destroying the public school system.

[jerphisch]

Seems that if the localities actually see the crisis that you've noted, they will be forced to make it happen locally. Sure, there will be ugly confrontations, but better that than all the teachers quitting.

The problem with this is that the ugly confrontations are just as big a factor in them quitting, a mandate will just make that even worse. Teachers will be flocking to the exits either way, because half the country will throw the worlds biggest temper tantrum if a mandate is ordered.

[SJHovey]

Probably because we pay them **** for what they have to put up with. I imagine we will be mostly home schooling in the next 50 years or so. The Republican Party has spent the last 40 years destroying the public school system.

I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.

[ScoobyDoo]

I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.

I'm not saying throw money at it. I'm saying we pay them ****.

[MichVandal]

The problem with this is that the ugly confrontations are just as big a factor in them quitting, a mandate will just make that even worse. Teachers will be flocking to the exits either way, because half the country will throw the worlds biggest temper tantrum if a mandate is ordered.

Depends on the location, as I see it. And the R effort to gut education is going to hurt them the most. Just like COVID has long term. At some point, someone is going to see the difference, and they will be forced to change, but that's going to take a while. This is where the industrialization of farming is going to benefit society vs. the small farmers who can't be bothered with education (and that's not ALL small farmers, but the ones who are part of the fight against education and COVID help.

[MichVandal]

I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.

A first step would be to stop the defunding of the education system. And it's interesting that you call restoring funding back to old levels as "throwing money at it". We can just go back to the 80's when public schools were strong, and we didn't need to take a massive loan to go to college.

[Drew S.]

Depends on the location, as I see it. And the R effort to gut education is going to hurt them the most. Just like COVID has long term. At some point, someone is going to see the difference, and they will be forced to change, but that's going to take a while. This is where the industrialization of farming is going to benefit society vs. the small farmers who can't be bothered with education (and that's not ALL small farmers, but the ones who are part of the fight against education and COVID help.

Strongly disagree with this. I think there are a lot of people center or center-left who have an axe to grind with their local school system for one reason or another.

[ScoobyDoo]

We have been systematically gutting government institutions since 1980. That we expect our outcomes to be better after doing that is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Public Schools won't exist anymore in 50 years.

[Handyman]

I think MV nails it. That's a local problem to solve unfortunately. As are so many of the endemic responses.

Then it absolutely does not happen.

[Handyman]

Schools were having a difficulty finding teachers before Covid, especially in certain teaching areas and geographic areas.

This isn't about finding them, this is about keeping them.

And there was no district in The Cities that was having real issues finding teachers. Trust me when I tell you it was hard finding a job beyond subbing. (it is why I teach where I teach and I let my license lapse) I spent years looking and never even got an interview. Now EVERY district in The Cities in every subject is looking for multiple teachers at all levels. It is a catastrophic problem.

[MichVandal]

Then it absolutely does not happen.

To me, it depends on the location. IMHO, a vaccine mandate here in Ann Arbor will go over really well. In some town in West Michigan, the schools will crumble.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Well, this is less encouraging

modern thinks there will be a "material drop" in effectiveness against omicron in terms of severe sickness

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/inves...oil/index.html

And the BioNTech founder thinks their vaccine will do alright against omicron.

https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/...335358476?s=21

[SJHovey]

This isn't about finding them, this is about keeping them.

And there was no district in The Cities that was having real issues finding teachers. Trust me when I tell you it was hard finding a job beyond subbing. (it is why I teach where I teach and I let my license lapse) I spent years looking and never even got an interview. Now EVERY district in The Cities in every subject is looking for multiple teachers at all levels. It is a catastrophic problem.

It's not a one size fits all problem. Rural school districts may have problems attracting candidates in any field. In the more urban districts, like Minneapolis or St. Paul, they have problems attracting candidates in certain fields or specialties, or teachers of diverse racial backgrounds. But to say that schools weren't struggling with keeping and retaining teachers prior to Covid is ignoring the situation, imho. Covid obviously hasn't helped, but has it helped any employment situation?

[ericredaxe]

To me, it depends on the location. IMHO, a vaccine mandate here in Ann Arbor will go over really well. In some town in West Michigan, the schools will crumble.

Agreed. Adding the Covid vaccine to the list of required school immunizations would be favored by a significant majority in my home town. Of course there will be some loud vocal *******s who would speak out against it.

[BassAle]

until we eliminate all other potential animal reservoirs

Not happening. It's now in the whitetail deer population. A large percentage of harvested deer in Maine are testing positive for Covid antibodies.