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  • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

    I do remember my friend asking me that, but I don't remember my specific post about it. I assume you or rufus have it saved somewhere and are ready to trot it out at a moments notice.

    What was my number? I don't think it was the 20,000 figure because I think that was my guess on the deaths.

    I have just always thought that the media, and a lot of people here, lose track of scale.

    What if CNN each night started with, "OMG, 8000 people died in the US again today. What is that, 12,000 days in a row?"

    I think I remember reading somewhere that something like 60 million people die each year in the world. My response was something like, "***, 60 million people?!?!" It's an incomprehensible number.

    1800 people died of heart disease in the US yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that, and so on.

    Yeah, it's all tragic when people die. It sucks when it's a loved one or a friend. But a little perspective is useful, too. I don't suggest that we all go cower in Trump's bunker because death is stalking us.
    For pretty much every single way people die, there's a TON of research and prevention that goes on.

    Thanks to lung cancer deaths, there are some pretty draconian tobacco laws and taxes. Thanks to car crashes, there are massive amounts of laws and regulations making cars safer. Thanks to other sicknesses, there are laws regulating air and water quality.

    You pretend that deaths just happen and that we do nothing about them, when, in fact, there TONS of things going on to reduce those kinds of deaths. We have tons of work and laws around cancer, we have laws making it illegal to shoot another person... Some countries have even banned guns. We even have laws that prevent just INJURY- have you seen the OSHA rules that make your workplace safer??? We have laws that make electronics safer- and they are even rated. Not just for electrocution, but for radiation, too. How many people get electrocuted every year? Thanks to GFI outlets, that handful of people are now close to none.

    The only death that we have no answer for is old age.

    I can go on, but the idea that we don't care is very much not true. And that there's more than enough laws and regulations to save lives to justify some temporary ones for COVID-19. We spend trillions of dollars to keep people safe and alive.

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    • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

      My dad takes all of the correct precautions...the problem is the rest of the people around cant be trusted to do it. (he still has to work because they have almost no savings) According to the Party of Personal Responsibility he should be willing to risk that to make sure things get back up and running. We believe that is bull****.

      I dont care if my risk factors are minimal (I am reasonably healthy and take the necessary precautions) if I want to see my father I have to act like I am at risk at all times. Which means when I see people *****ing and moaning because they have to wear a mask at Costco I want to kick them in the nuts. That is why as much as it sucks for my friends in the restaurant business (and me, I will lose about 19k in bartending revenue this year because of COVID), we should have not opened them when we did. (thankfully we havent been burned by it as bad as FL and TX have been) People are needlessly dying because half this country cant be bothered to do the right thing.

      You called me coldhearted once because I was willing to let a bunch of small businesses fail. (ironically my dad said similar only about the riots) I dont want anyone to fail...but I want people to live. Human Life >>>>>>>>>>> Bob's Pull Tab and Hooker Sports Bar in Bumbphikistan, Wisconsin. And it isnt just about the people that go to the bar, it is about the people they infect when they go there. Look at all the people who get it at church...or family gatherings. We are a society, as such we have a responsibility to protect EVERYONE...not just those we deem to be young enough they have a future. And while my heart bleeds for small business owners who do the right thing and take the necessary precautions, the truth is their business is not more important than the lives of the average citizen. They can get another job...my mom cant get another life long friend to replace the one COVID took from her.
      Not to mention, if we had an actual, functioning government made up of adults, they would be making sure that Bob's Pull Tab and Hooker Sports Bar, and every other business and individual in this country, would be provided at least the minimal resources to to be able to get by until this is over.

      There's lots of countries in this world paying people a monthly stipend to live on until this pandemic is gone. Why the RICHEST ****ING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THAT BRIGHT SHINING CITY ON THE HILL American exceptionalism can't is beyond me. Need money? Put a 50% tax on millionaires and above. Everyone else is scrapping and struggling to make ends meet, doing their ****dest to keep this country going during this time, why don't they pony up something as well? Let 'em feel what it's like to have to scrimp, if even just the tiniest bit. for once in their lives.
      What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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      • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

        I do remember my friend asking me that, but I don't remember my specific post about it. I assume you or rufus have it saved somewhere and are ready to trot it out at a moments notice.

        What was my number? I don't think it was the 20,000 figure because I think that was my guess on the deaths.

        I have just always thought that the media, and a lot of people here, lose track of scale.

        What if CNN each night started with, "OMG, 8000 people died in the US again today. What is that, 12,000 days in a row?"

        I think I remember reading somewhere that something like 60 million people die each year in the world. My response was something like, "***, 60 million people?!?!" It's an incomprehensible number.

        1800 people died of heart disease in the US yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that, and so on.

        Yeah, it's all tragic when people die. It sucks when it's a loved one or a friend. But a little perspective is useful, too. I don't suggest that we all go cower in Trump's bunker because death is stalking us.
        Yes, cause that's their time, you sociopathic ****. Their body has given out.

        This Covid thing is taking people before that time would otherwise have happened. Most of these deaths were preventable, and the people dying from it could have lived another 15, 20, 40 more years. In some cases, 70 or more years.

        What don't you understand about that, you ****ing ghoul?
        What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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        • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

          I'm not claiming there is zero effect. However, one of the things that I think you are seeing is that the high risk groups are doing a much better job of protecting themselves (or being protected, if in a congregate care setting) than early on in the pandemic. I think that's part of the reason why in April we saw 35,000 cases per day, with deaths between 2500 and 3000, whereas now we see twice as many daily cases but half as many daily deaths.
          Yes, cause they have no other choice, because no one else is gonna protect them. Not you, not the government, not our health and disease specialists, no one. People in this country are dying, 1000/day, the disease is spreading rampant, with no one doing anything to stop it. It should not have to be every man for himself out there, it doesn't have to be the Hunger Games.

          Cause a bunch of incredibly stupid people elected a child to be president. "What could it hurt, he can't do worse than the rest of them".
          Last edited by rufus; 08-04-2020, 07:00 PM.
          What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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          • MN high school sports making some changes.
            Football and Volleyball moving to spring.

            https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/20...mpression=true

            **** cautious behavior...
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            • Originally posted by rufus View Post

              Yes, cause that's their time, you sociopathic ****. Their body has given out.

              This Covid thing is taking people before that time would otherwise have happened. Most of these deaths were preventable, and the people dying from it could have lived another 15, 20, 40 more years. In some cases, 70 or more years.

              What don't you understand about that, you ****ing ghoul?
              The average age of a “Covid death” is older than the the average age life expectancy. You know, what you call “cause that’s their time.”

              Now back to a “Covid Death”

              For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

              https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm


              on average there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

              People like you Rufus are exactly what the problem is. You are so dense you can’t even see it.

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              • I think it was Hovey who was wondering out loud last week what would transpire at Sturgis this year (week away?). The event is on. City officials apparently concluded that people would come anyway so they decided not to cancel it but to try to manage it. There's no masking requirement in SoDak, so there is no masking mandate for visitors, though it looks like vendors will be required to mask. Expected numbers are down from 600,000+ to around 250,000. Petri Dish, South Dakota.

                Pardon me for not linking. Idiot and my parents knew it early on.
                Last edited by burd; 08-05-2020, 09:56 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                    I do remember my friend asking me that, but I don't remember my specific post about it. I assume you or rufus have it saved somewhere and are ready to trot it out at a moments notice.

                    What was my number? I don't think it was the 20,000 figure because I think that was my guess on the deaths.

                    I have just always thought that the media, and a lot of people here, lose track of scale.

                    What if CNN each night started with, "OMG, 8000 people died in the US again today. What is that, 12,000 days in a row?"

                    I think I remember reading somewhere that something like 60 million people die each year in the world. My response was something like, "***, 60 million people?!?!" It's an incomprehensible number.

                    1800 people died of heart disease in the US yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that, and so on.

                    Yeah, it's all tragic when people die. It sucks when it's a loved one or a friend. But a little perspective is useful, too. I don't suggest that we all go cower in Trump's bunker because death is stalking us.
                    Nah, I don’t have it. I called you out once, and provided evidence. It changed nothing, and that’s okay. It’s a message board. Since you explicitly call out Democrats on here as hypocritical, I figured you’d change your tone on the coronavirus, since you clearly underestimated it early on. But, you haven’t. Alas, you’re a hypocrite, just like the rest of us.
                    http://i.bittwiddlers.org/b/Lli

                    Anyways, Governor Beshear was on CNN again this morning. He makes me proud to be a Kentuckian. He’s done an excellent job, and he’s deft at dodging questions about Trump’s incompetence, since challenging Trump in a +30 Trump state is political suicide. He hugs the administration whenever he can, and credits them for ideas to keep the viral spread manageable.

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                    • Originally posted by alfablue View Post

                      For pretty much every single way people die, there's a TON of research and prevention that goes on.

                      Thanks to lung cancer deaths, there are some pretty draconian tobacco laws and taxes. Thanks to car crashes, there are massive amounts of laws and regulations making cars safer. Thanks to other sicknesses, there are laws regulating air and water quality.

                      You pretend that deaths just happen and that we do nothing about them, when, in fact, there TONS of things going on to reduce those kinds of deaths. We have tons of work and laws around cancer, we have laws making it illegal to shoot another person... Some countries have even banned guns. We even have laws that prevent just INJURY- have you seen the OSHA rules that make your workplace safer??? We have laws that make electronics safer- and they are even rated. Not just for electrocution, but for radiation, too. How many people get electrocuted every year? Thanks to GFI outlets, that handful of people are now close to none.

                      The only death that we have no answer for is old age.

                      I can go on, but the idea that we don't care is very much not true. And that there's more than enough laws and regulations to save lives to justify some temporary ones for COVID-19. We spend trillions of dollars to keep people safe and alive.
                      Ok, let me try this with something at least remotely similar to Covid.

                      I think everyone agrees that what, maybe 60,000 people die of the flu each year in this country alone. To combat this, we recommend flu shots, certainly for people of a certain age. We recommend covering your mouth when you sneeze, washing hands, etc...

                      60,000 deaths are a lot of people, just standing alone, right? Aren't those deaths tragic in their own right? Don't those deaths disproportionately hit at risk categories, like the aged.

                      Do we lock up nursing homes in response? Do we deny the elderly the chance to see their families? Do we lock up businesses and demand that everyone stay at home during flu season?

                      As someone pointed out, Covid gets into nursing homes by someone bringing it in. Isn't it the same with the flu? Might it not be an employee out at the bars trying to get laid? Shouldn't we lock down the bars and restaurants to prevent those tragic deaths?

                      We don't because as a society we've made the decision it isn't worth the cost. It's not that we want people to die of the flu. But we can't just shut down the country for 6 months a year and make everyone stay at home so that no one gets it.
                      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                      • Originally posted by psych View Post

                        Nah, I don’t have it. I called you out once, and provided evidence. It changed nothing, and that’s okay. It’s a message board. Since you explicitly call out Democrats on here as hypocritical, I figured you’d change your tone on the coronavirus, since you clearly underestimated it early on. But, you haven’t. Alas, you’re a hypocrite, just like the rest of us.
                        http://i.bittwiddlers.org/b/Lli

                        Anyways, Governor Beshear was on CNN again this morning. He makes me proud to be a Kentuckian. He’s done an excellent job, and he’s deft at dodging questions about Trump’s incompetence, since challenging Trump in a +30 Trump state is political suicide. He hugs the administration whenever he can, and credits them for ideas to keep the viral spread manageable.
                        How exactly did you "call me out," or am I a hypocrite?

                        Back in March someone asked me to guess how many deaths and I said 20,000. I've never denied that. If making a wrong guess or prediction about Covid back in March of this year makes one a hypocrite, well then I guess I'm a hypocrite, with a lot of company. Seems like an odd definition though.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • What month exactly will it go away? Jared said by July

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                          • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                            Ok, let me try this with something at least remotely similar to Covid.

                            I think everyone agrees that what, maybe 60,000 people die of the flu each year in this country alone. To combat this, we recommend flu shots, certainly for people of a certain age. We recommend covering your mouth when you sneeze, washing hands, etc...

                            60,000 deaths are a lot of people, just standing alone, right? Aren't those deaths tragic in their own right? Don't those deaths disproportionately hit at risk categories, like the aged.

                            Do we lock up nursing homes in response? Do we deny the elderly the chance to see their families? Do we lock up businesses and demand that everyone stay at home during flu season?

                            As someone pointed out, Covid gets into nursing homes by someone bringing it in. Isn't it the same with the flu? Might it not be an employee out at the bars trying to get laid? Shouldn't we lock down the bars and restaurants to prevent those tragic deaths?

                            We don't because as a society we've made the decision it isn't worth the cost. It's not that we want people to die of the flu. But we can't just shut down the country for 6 months a year and make everyone stay at home so that no one gets it.
                            60k is a high number- if you are going to bother to use that as an example, the least you can do is look it up. From 2010, the range is from 12k-60k deaths in a year. But for your amusement, lets stay at 60k- and that's for 12 months.

                            According to the CDC, as of yesterday, there have been 142k deaths from Covid. This does NOT include the additional deaths of pneumonia, or any other cause, or the increased deaths pointed to influenza- just COVID. Tracking stared on 2/1, and it's now 8/1- so that's 6 complete months of official tracking.

                            Comparing influenza to COVID extrapolated to an entire year- that would be 60k (on the high end of the last decade) vs. 280k. That's 4.5x more deaths due to covid, even when there have been actions surrounding COVID infections.

                            Knowing that schools regularly close for influenza, would we expect additional actions if the annual flu would take 4x the normal amount? Yes, we would.

                            To pretend that we would not is very not accurate at all. Especially when the average annual influenza deaths over the last decade was just under 38k per year, and compared to that, we are at just about 7.5x the normal rate of influenza deaths per year.

                            edit add- as an interesting stat- right now, the official COVID deaths are 8% of all deaths. If you add in the non-normal pneumonia deaths- (we are at 150k since 2/1, and 90k of those are not officially related to covid)- 142k+90k = 230k out of 1.6M total deaths, or 14% of all deaths are from Covid + the increase of Pneumonia. Also- right now- at 142k, COVID would rank 5th on the normal annual deaths. When converted to the current annual rate of 280k- it then ranks 3rd behind heart disease and cancer. If you add in the non-normal pneumonia increase- it's REALLY close to all cancer deaths in the US. Influenza in 2017 was a distant 7th.

                            Imagine if car deaths did the same thing- went from 30k (which is high) to over 200k in one year- you don't think society would react?

                            We would, because as a society, we recognize when deaths are preventable, and would choose to save lives and deal with the temporary economic hit. A very clear example of that is how many times entire crops or bunches of livestock are just sacrificed because a handful of people get sick and *maybe* one or two die. Or look at how close some cars were to being banned because of safety rumors.

                            You keep implying that we can't do anything, but we can; you keep implying that other deaths are just ignored, but they are not; you keep trying to make COVID equal to other deaths, but the math does not add up.

                            Keep trying to justify money over life. Go for it. And remember that the economy truly benefits just a handful of people more than all others- they would EASILY be able to support the country for a couple of months of downtime- just like happens in poorer countries around the world.

                            I totally get that you will never change your mind, and totally ignore the economic impact that WE CHOOSE TO HANDLE when trying to reduce other ways of dying. All I can hope for is that you, as an individual, live up to your words. If you or your parents get sick, do not make society take the economic impact of taking care of you or your family- you can just suffer and die for your desire to just let others do the same.

                            We can shut down, and the people who can work form home can support those who can't. Let alone the top 1% keeping the bottom 50% alive.
                            Last edited by alfablue; 08-05-2020, 09:58 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                              How exactly did you "call me out," or am I a hypocrite?

                              Back in March someone asked me to guess how many deaths and I said 20,000. I've never denied that. If making a wrong guess or prediction about Covid back in March of this year makes one a hypocrite, well then I guess I'm a hypocrite, with a lot of company. Seems like an odd definition though.
                              At least don't pretend to care about life, in any of it's form. It's clear you don't value it over the allmighty dollar.

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                              • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                                How exactly did you "call me out," or am I a hypocrite?

                                Back in March someone asked me to guess how many deaths and I said 20,000. I've never denied that. If making a wrong guess or prediction about Covid back in March of this year makes one a hypocrite, well then I guess I'm a hypocrite, with a lot of company. Seems like an odd definition though.
                                You claimed you didn’t say something. I showed you did. Right after I did it, I realized what a waste of time it was. I mean, like I said about Trump moving the Election Day, who cares?
                                You’re a hypocrite because you don’t admit when you’re wrong about something, yet you explicitly call people out on here for doing the same. It’s whatever man. I mean, that all said, I still appreciate a lot of your posts. I actually find myself agreeing with some of them, something I didn’t think I’d say. You’ll continue to post, I’ll continue to post, and life will go on.

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