Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[MichVandal]

Folks underestimate the confluence of Covid with raw demographics. The Boomers (I know Kep hates that, ... meh) born 1946-64 are aging out.

If you were born in '64 you're nominally 57. If you've managed your life's work and income you're likely in a position where you only need to work enough to "pay the utilities".

That only covers a small subset of the employment problem. That's basically ONLY professionals that 1) have access to any kind of retirement system and 2) get enough pay to fill it up enough to retire pretty early. When you see the retirement data (how much do people have in their 401k for example), this is less than 1% of the working economy.

For sure, it does not at all count the low and mid economy of the service industry. Not what so ever. Which is the segment that is struggling the most.

And I am part of the early age out group.

[MichVandal]

BTW, IMHO, it's a fair assumption that the anti-vaxxor cops are also the ones who should not be cops anyway, based on their biases. So if the Chicago PD loses some of these guys, it would be a net positive.

[Swansong]

BTW, IMHO, it's a fair assumption that the anti-vaxxor cops are also the ones who should not be cops anyway, based on their biases. So if the Chicago PD loses some of these guys, it would be a net positive.

Agreed. If you are so stupid as to refuse the vaccine and would prefer to quit, or if you incorrectly believe that mandates won't hold up in court, then you've no business in law enforcement. Or medicine. Or a modern society.

[Handyman]

... they'd be required to be vaccinated for that job too

Hobby Lobby need cashiers? ;^)

[Swansong]

Hobby Lobby need cashiers? ;^)

Ha! Their 43,000 employees squarely puts them within the mandate too.

[Jimjamesak]

Anchorage finally has a mask mandate after two weeks of public testimony (mostly driven by a qtard Facebook group trying to basically filibuster the mandate) involving plenty of controversy, a 9-2 vote, a veto by our new Mayor (whose election was driven by said qtard Facebook group), and a 9-2 override of said veto.

[rufus]

... they'd be required to be vaccinated for that job too

Yeah, but you don't get to shoot ni&&ers there.

Well, not as often, anyway.

[leswp1]

Dude, I'm not pro-homeschooling. The kids I've met who are homeschooled are fish out of water in social situations, and social situations are how you get through life ... or at least that's how it used to be.

INteresting- have dealt with homeschooled individuals as patients, as athletes (Middle, high school and college) and as a Uni Professor. For the most part they are above average in being able to critically think, be self sufficient, consider consequences, work without direction and get along with their peers when compared in those groups. Not all (of course) but most. And many times I wouldn't have known they were homeschooled until it came up in conversation.

If I see one more meme from a jackwad complaining nurses are being fired because they won't get vaccinated I may take their eyes out with a dull butter knife.

I may no longer have an electrician. We use a young guy who went to school with my kid. He is posting all sorts of sh1t about people can use a dressing room but not go to the Dr office (false dilemma BS). His mum is a nurse who has long covid for a yr and still is miserable with it. I lost my mind. Posted 90% of nurses are vaxed and it is a slap in the face for him to be posting BS while there are Nurses who have died and are still suffering. And then asked where his moral and ethical principles were (they are VERY Christian) that they were able to forget that it was important to love thy neighbor ... T

The only good thing about this is it will kill off a lot of stupid people and cleanse the gene pool a bit. The bad thing is the collateral damage to get that

I keep seeing all the job shortages blamed on mandates. Bullfeathers. This is capitalism, people. The workers are not willing to work for less dollars when they can go somewhere else (healthcare workers are going agency) and make decent money. Supply and demand.

Folks love to whine about Socializm!!!1!!!!1!!1!! but when capitalism works they whine and carry on about how dare people should want more $$. And how dare they charge more when the overhead is increasing. Okie dokie. There is a new addiction in this country- Outrage. The way to get a fix is to believe the contradictory narratives are logical and can coexist

What I am fascinated by is no one seems to have a problem with all the CEOs making bank- they are paid way more than they are worth and if they really wanted the company to succeed they would use some of that $$ to offer more for quality workers.

[The Sicatoka]

INteresting- have dealt with homeschooled individuals as patients, as athletes and as a Uni Professor. For the most part they are above average in being able to critically think, be self sufficient, consider consequences, work without direction and get along with their peers when compared in those groups. Not all (of course) but most. And many times I wouldn't have known they were homeschooled until it came up in conversation.

You're seeing them after they've left home. I know some folks who do home school. Their kids won't look at you much less look you in the eye. It's sad. Here's hoping they become what you've encountered.

[The Sicatoka]

What I am fascinated by is no one seems to have a problem with all the CEOs making bank- they are paid way more than they are worth and if they really wanted the company to succeed they would use some of that $$ to offer more for quality workers.

Shhh ... Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Musk can hear you.

[Jeb2020]

If you need three shots within a year...

You still get and spread COVID...

How is this a vaccine?

[dxmnkd316]

So is one of the dumb right wing talking points, at the intersection of covid and jobs, claiming that the reason companies are having a hard time hiring is that people are quitting over vaccine mandates? My dad was claiming that the other night.

Sure, maybe in some small areas that has a meaningful impact on hiring, but we here in MA are at 68% full and 78% (of everyone, including kids who aren't yet eligible) with one dose and we can't hire either, so no I don't believe that has any real effect on hiring.



and then, yet again, facts are pretty irrelevant.

I can't remember if it was here or somewhere else (might have been AOC who said it) but there is an interesting theory I read that with the cost of health care and the risk with COVID, a decent number of people may have said **** it if they were a two income family and one made significantly less. The cost of child care is so insane, you almost need to work full time to pay for it. So why work when you can maybe make a little less a year but have one of the parents stay home and raise the child. One of the many, many factors I'm sure.

Back to the talking point, it's one where it's thoroughly obvious that it hasn't been thought out given the tiny fraction of employees who have quit over this. As I'm sure we're all very aware, it's because of the extreme upward pressure on salaries. Several of us have posted comments about our employers hiring at huge premiums right now. My company even announced a new program to push ALL salaries upwards across the board, moving the market points, uncapping ranges, and automatically bringing people up to some minimum relative to market. They're desperately trying to retain existing employees and trying to hire new.

It's not like we lost a massive fraction of the job market to COVID (even using 800,000, that's about 0.5% of the workforce). So I'm still a little confused where this pressure is coming from compared to October 2019. Could the stimulus from COVID be supercharging this? The child tax credit? This is the one thing I just don't quite understand. Because if this is transient due to the economy starting back up, we could see a pretty hard return to the norm over the next 12 months.

[The Sicatoka]

It's not like we lost a massive fraction of the job market to COVID (even using 800,000, that's about 0.5% of the workforce).

This says working age deaths (18 to 64) is more like ~170k.

[French Rage]

BTW, IMHO, it's a fair assumption that the anti-vaxxor cops are also the ones who should not be cops anyway, based on their biases. So if the Chicago PD loses some of these guys, it would be a net positive.

Given that Covid has been the #1 killer of police in the last year plus, they should be fired for not supporting the thin blue line.

[dxmnkd316]

This says working age deaths (18 to 64) is more like ~170k.

Not if Republicans had all the say. Work till you die *****. You're lucky we're even allowing you to have a job.








but point taken. Even further strengthens that aspect of my point.