Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[rufus]

Just got the second Pfizer. So far so good.

But it hurt when she stuck me. She just sort of leaned forward in here chair and did an overhand slam of the needle into my arm. No finesse or care, just wham.

[Kepler]

Just got the second Pfizer. So far so good.

But it hurt when she stuck me. She just sort of leaned forward in here chair and did an overhand slam of the needle into my arm. No finesse or care, just wham.

Did you have your handkerchief in the left pocket or the right pocket?

[Kepler]

Over and above the usual nuttiness.

My baseline is nawt (sniff) my fawt!

[MissThundercat]

Monday is round 2 of Moderna. I've heard varying things, so I told my grad school instructor I wasn't sure how active or engaged I would be that day.

Also, time and again, I am reminded defeating this pandemic is a group project and I hate group projects.

[dxmnkd316]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/23/...mpression=true

ive been saying this and using the cigarette example for months.

I want coauthorship

[MichVandal]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/23/...mpression=true

ive been saying this and using the cigarette example for months.

I want coauthorship

Not sure I agree with the premise. We know social distancing and masks don't eliminate 100% of exposure. But they do reduce the exposure so much that the dose that people get is reduced enough to prevent an infection dose.

From what I read from that theory, the fact that distancing and masks are not 100% effective makes them useless. And the data out there suggests that the position is not as simple as a binary position like that.

The cigarette connection is funny- because we've banned cigarettes indoors in many places- which has turned out to be pretty popular, and the risk of covid is considerably worse in the short term- but people are so upset over masks. They are the same rule, basically.

[dxmnkd316]

Not sure I agree with the premise. We know social distancing and masks don't eliminate 100% of exposure. But they do reduce the exposure so much that the dose that people get is reduced enough to prevent an infection dose.

From what I read from that theory, the fact that distancing and masks are not 100% effective makes them useless. And the data out there suggests that the position is not as simple as a binary position like that.

The cigarette connection is funny- because we've banned cigarettes indoors in many places- which has turned out to be pretty popular, and the risk of covid is considerably worse in the short term- but people are so upset over masks. They are the same rule, basically.

The conclusion isn't pack restaurants, the conclusion is no restaurants until we've gotten this under control

[rufus]

I don't see the cigarette analogy at all. Yes, you may still get a whiff of second hand smoke all the way on the other side of the room from the smoker, but you aren't getting anywhere near the hit that the people sitting right next to them are. Same with Covid.

[MissThundercat]

I am reminded me a year ago at this time, rhymes with Frump suggested we inject bleach.

Imagine if we even would have had C+/B- leadership at that time.

[dxmnkd316]

I don't see the cigarette analogy at all. Yes, you may still get a whiff of second hand smoke all the way on the other side of the room from the smoker, but you aren't getting anywhere near the hit that the people sitting right next to them are. Same with Covid.

It's because cigarette smoke is an aerosol just like COVID. It can hang in the air for hours and can spread to an entire room just with natural air currents.

Now imagine that there's a smoker sitting in a restaurant with you and they chain smoke for an hour. You're still going to get throughly exposed over long enough time.

The point is, masks and limiting time are the most important factors. Not distance. Distance becomes useless as t gets larger.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Restaurants at part capacity is so dumb. You eat with your masks off. Either fully close or fully open. It also lends credence to later outbreaks being variant driven vs what the state restrictions are.

my fave restaurant has been open the entire pandemic but take out only- and I’m confident that helps protect staff, limiting the time spent inside.

im going to a restaurant tonight, but sitting outside.

[Handyman]

It's because cigarette smoke is an aerosol just like COVID. It can hang in the air for hours and can spread to an entire room just with natural air currents.

Now imagine that there's a smoker sitting in a restaurant with you and they chain smoke for an hour. You're still going to get throughly exposed over long enough time.

The point is, masks and limiting time are the most important factors. Not distance. Distance becomes useless as t gets larger.

Yep. And restaurants with dividers are even dumber. Apparently COVID cant travel up?

The second you pull your mask down the risk gets higher. Distance is not the key in an enclosed place.

[rufus]

It's because cigarette smoke is an aerosol just like COVID. It can hang in the air for hours and can spread to an entire room just with natural air currents.

Now imagine that there's a smoker sitting in a restaurant with you and they chain smoke for an hour. You're still going to get throughly exposed over long enough time.

The point is, masks and limiting time are the most important factors. Not distance. Distance becomes useless as t gets larger.

Well sure, but anyone with half a brain shouldn't be eating out now anyway. My feeling is, if you are, and you got sick, there's no one to blame but you. Its not like this is some big secret.

Day after the second shot, and no issues. I do have some numbness in my right foot, from the arch back to the heel, like it's fallen asleep or something, but I think that's more to do with the issues I was having with my crap knee yesterday. Pinched nerve, or something.

[MichVandal]

The conclusion isn't pack restaurants, the conclusion is no restaurants until we've gotten this under control

Based on how I read the article, that's now what I saw- I saw that masks and distancing are useless, in theory. As I read it, it would be easy to take that study, and proclaim that everything should be opened up- as that was actually pointed out- there's been a big economic impact of closing/distancing/masks.

Maybe I read it wrong, but I'm not ready to give up on those effective tools at this point.

As for the cigarettes- yes, they are both aerosols- and both disperse over distance. So the exposure to second hand smoke is more concentrated at 6 ft than it is at 60, which is worse WRT second hand smoke. Just like covid disperses over distance, so the exposure at 6 ft is more concentrated than it is at 60 ft- so the odds are far greater that you will get enough exposure to get infected. That's where the whole 6ft even came from- far enough away to reduce the exposure enough to avoid an infecting dose.

The virus may go over, based on air flow, sure. But it is heavier than air as well.

[MissThundercat]

The "Unlock Michigan" petition, while it had enough signatures, wasn't certified by the state board of canvassers.

Cue the Price is Right fail horn.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...anvassers.html