Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[MichVandal]

Every time I see a post from one of his cult I want to forward the tweets/posts that were shared a few weeks back that said Dump and Melania both got vaccinated before they left the White House. If their Lord and Savior had no issue getting a vaccine, even after having COVID, you'd think they would all be chomping at the bit to get one!

Let alone dumpy trying to take 100% credit for the vaccine- as if he did anything. Pfizer didn't take part in operation warp speed, and was the first out.

I can't fathom how sick a person dumpy is- knowing how bad the virus was, and then intentionally doing things to make it worse.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

He's not playing. Dunning-Kruger.

Classic FlagDUDE.

[Swansong]

Interesting. Why this one and not SARS or one of the others? Body count?

Epidemiologists have been warning about "The Next Big One" for a half century. Not some piddling 3M but billions. Have we averted a catastrophic Black Death by getting "lucky" with a midrange virus that killed under 10M?

Did we just meta-virus medicine itself? Was it even medicine or just having utter incompetence in government at the time of vulnerability? They used to say famines were not about food but about terrible regimes. Did America just pay the price for having a terrible regime when something important happened?

I think body count and overall societal impact are why, but I'll leave that to the medical historians. SARS 1 (and MERS) were far more severe and deadly diseases, but since most people who were infected with them pretty quickly developed obvious and serious symptoms, there was no issue with asymptomatic spread. Pre-symptomatic spread was possible but since it became super obvious super quickly that anyone who got sick needed to quarantine it was less problematic. Since SARS 2 spreads so gleefully from those without any symptoms, it festered (and festered and festered) and since it is much less severe than SARS 1, morons simply look at the topline fatality rate and erroneously think it's not a big deal, never bothering to take into consideration the actual impacts (like overcrowded hospitals, excess death from reduced care at said overcrowded hospitals, etc.).

I am not an epidemiologist so my opinion on this isn't super researched, but I feel like "we" hear endless doom and gloom predictions about this or that. Will there be another pandemic as horrific as the black plague? Maybe? I worry about that as much as I worry that the Yellowstone super volcano will explode, or the Chinese will invade the west coast, or whatever. I'd like to think we could have done better than we did during this pandemic, but I've read Asimov's Nemesis and ... we're just doomed to repeat the same stupid mistakes over and over.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

As someone in epi and who gets to spend time with Osterholm on occasion- it can get scary when you know what he knows. A flu based pandemic is still what’s likely to take us all down, and anti biotic resistance is what terrifies me next if I think about it. Which I try not to.

with how the flu changes, well, you know why it’s hard to get a bulletproof vaccine. amd yes sars 1 was much, much deadlier.

[Handyman]

Pfizer shot 1 is in the books!

[Drew S.]

As someone in epi and who gets to spend time with Osterholm on occasion- it can get scary when you know what he knows. A fly based pandemic is still what’s likely to take us all down, and anti biotic resistance is what terrifies me next if I think about it. Which I try not to.

with how the flu changes, well, you know why it’s hard to get a bulletproof vaccine. amd yes sars 1 was much, much deadlier.

You’re obviously a lot more knowledgeable than me on Covid but I’ve been feeling pretty negative about the situation the last week or so. Maybe we’ll dodge the bullet of a spring surge, and I think either way we have a decent summer, but I think next fall we’ll be in a similar situation to this year where we more or less are trapped at home. I don’t think deaths and hospitalizations will be nearly as bad but it is going to be another tough winter for most people. I obviously hope I’m wrong.

[dxmnkd316]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

[Swansong]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

I agree with this. I also think we wouldn't have nearly as much resistance if bodies were piling up the way they would if this was MERS. Sure, window lickers like trollbot here would do their stupid thing, but it's a much harder sell to tell someone it's fake when they know many people who've died from it.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

The MERS chapter in Osterholm book is great. It’s in camels and here to stay- will jump to humans again and a 35% death rate is , well...

[leswp1]

In response to the person who asked why get the vaccine with a fully functioning immune system- the latest variants are bypassing the natural immunity that folks who got it early have developed. In simple terms the virus morphed so the antibodies are not effective at blocking the virus from attaching to healthy cells and infecting. Vaccines work but not as effectively- they are showing decreased mortality but for some of the variants people still get sick. SO far this is true for at least 3 variants that I have seen- the SA, the Brazil and the new kid on the block- the NY variant.

Vaccines usually produce more efficient immunity- HPV has poor natural immunity but almost 99% immunity with vaccine.

Viruses have been around a long time, longer than we have been. They didn't survive being stupid. They morph and adjust to succeed at reproduction and spreading and they do this well.

[dxmnkd316]

The MERS chapter in Osterholm book is great. It’s in camels and here to stay- will jump to humans again and a 35% death rate is , well...

I'm actually grateful we went through a relatively "easy" pandemic to get the mRNA tech to a point we've tested it and sussed out a lot of the first time issues. Hoping we can figure out how to sequence and fast track stuff to the point t that we can churn out a vaccine in months instead of 12+. I don't think we're far off now that we have seen what it can do.

[dxmnkd316]

Holy **** my arm hurts. Significantly worse than the flu shot. As bad as the mmr or tdap, whichever one sucks the most.

[Kepler]

Holy **** my arm hurts. Significantly worse than the flu shot. As bad as the mmr or tdap, whichever one sucks the most.

Which shot did you have?

Hurts or aches? Stabby stabby or just heavy and tender?

Also: can you drink, like, a lot? Cuz I don't want to tell you how to medicate, but...

[dxmnkd316]

Pfizer.

arm is heavy and feels like a dumbbell attached to it. Plus it hurts to move it. I think they also put it in fairly high in my muscle. I think I usually get them a little lower.

The odd thing is the joint hurts in addition to the muscle. Again, probably because I'm confusing the actual tendons and ligaments with the higher up muscles.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Pfizer.

arm is heavy and feels like a dumbbell attached to it. Plus it hurts to move it. I think they also put it in fairly high in my muscle. I think I usually get them a little lower.

The odd thing is the joint hurts in addition to the muscle. Again, probably because I'm confusing the actual tendons and ligaments with the higher up muscles.

I couldn’t move my arm the day after Pfizer