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  • Originally posted by Wayuphere View Post
    I, by no means, know anything about epidemiology, but virus mutations have always been the BIG fear, correct? With how widespread Covid-19 is, a virus mutation to a much more lethal one is not a growing concern? There HAS to be someone, maybe in SA, that has a covid and Ebola type infection simultaneously. What, if anything, would emerge?
    By mutations, I mean the merging of Covid-19 with a much nastier virus that has a much higher fatality rate combined with covids aerosolized easy transmission.
    Saw a thread on Twitter that if you wanted to try to get a virus to mutate into something worse you would do pretty much exactly what we have done.
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    Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year

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    • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
      I think two things have slowed it down.

      The first is one of the things I've complained about here before, which is that we're spending too much time with the vaccine sitting in freezers while we make sure that we administer it in the precise order that we, as a state, have decided that it should be administered.
      I think many states are over-thinking distribution. They are too worried that someone "more deserving" might get vaccinated after someone "less deserving" that they overly complicate the prioritization and end up delaying the vaccination of the vulnerable even more than if they just did something super simple that was primarily based on age. Basically what the UK did was prioritize healthcare workers and elderly.

      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
      Second, I think that if a state gets say 100,000 doses, some states are only looking to vaccinate 50,000 people, holding back half to do the second dose. My personal preference would be to get the first doses into people and use future deliveries for the second shot.
      I've been told by someone involved in the vaccination program administration in a hospital that the Feds don't want them holding onto doses. Use all the doses you get, don't hold half in a freezer for the second dose.

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      • Originally posted by Wayuphere View Post
        I, by no means, know anything about epidemiology, but virus mutations have always been the BIG fear, correct? With how widespread Covid-19 is, a virus mutation to a much more lethal one is not a growing concern? There HAS to be someone, maybe in SA, that has a covid and Ebola type infection simultaneously. What, if anything, would emerge?
        By mutations, I mean the merging of Covid-19 with a much nastier virus that has a much higher fatality rate combined with covids aerosolized easy transmission.
        African nations have been advanced on border control and Ebola screening for years, which works in their favor. I believe current Ebola cases are limited to west Africa but the countries that do have Ebola could certainly also have covid .

        and yes letting this virus run roughshod over everyone as a strategy was also a disaster in terms of mutations.

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        • Hospital in Uk with full icu had to remove people from corridors this week- taking pics of empty hallways to claim the virus was a hoax

          https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-55531589

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          • Just found out my wife gets her first shot tomorrow. I'm tearing up I'm so happy.
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            May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
            I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
            Originally posted by Kepler
            When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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            • Originally posted by Wayuphere View Post
              I, by no means, know anything about epidemiology, but virus mutations have always been the BIG fear, correct? With how widespread Covid-19 is, a virus mutation to a much more lethal one is not a growing concern? There HAS to be someone, maybe in SA, that has a covid and Ebola type infection simultaneously. What, if anything, would emerge?
              By mutations, I mean the merging of Covid-19 with a much nastier virus that has a much higher fatality rate combined with covids aerosolized easy transmission.
              My gut feeling is they need to be pretty similar to merge. Flu with flu, corona with corona, etc. But take that for what it's worth, I have almost zero knowledge of the subject. Happy to be corrected (or maybe scared in this case)
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              College Hockey 6       College Football 0
              BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
              Originally posted by SanTropez
              May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
              Originally posted by bigblue_dl
              I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
              Originally posted by Kepler
              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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              • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                My gut feeling is they need to be pretty similar to merge. Flu with flu, corona with corona, etc. But take that for what it's worth, I have almost zero knowledge of the subject. Happy to be corrected (or maybe scared in this case)
                Ebola is so different- and is definitely not transmissible by air. Needs to be direct contact with fluids

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                • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                  My gut feeling is they need to be pretty similar to merge. Flu with flu, corona with corona, etc. But take that for what it's worth, I have almost zero knowledge of the subject. Happy to be corrected (or maybe scared in this case)
                  they need to be similar genetically, but two strains of RNA viruses can recombine if they infect the same cell. I don't think ebola and SARS-COV-2 would undergo recombination, and if somehow they did, it would result in a jumbled mess of genes.

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                  • Originally posted by Drew S. View Post

                    One thing I would like to ask the powers that be is if schools aren’t safe to be open in UK why are they safe here?
                    Something something...socialism. Something something...FREDUMB!!!
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                    "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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                    • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                      No one has put me in charge of it, as of yet, so I don't know that I'm overthinking anything.

                      All I know is that each state is receiving doses, and there is a big disparity among the states as to the percentage of those doses they've administered, with Kansas and Georgia on the low end at 17% and SD leading the way with 70%.

                      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/
                      Which is why you don't leave it up to the states...if we had a semi functional Federal Government we would be way ahead of where we are.
                      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                      -aparch

                      "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                      -INCH

                      Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                      -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                      • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                        Which is why you don't leave it up to the states...if we had a semi functional Federal Government we would be way ahead of where we are.
                        Don't we leave flu vaccinations up to the states?
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • Originally posted by Handyman View Post

                          Which is why you don't leave it up to the states...if we had a semi functional Federal Government we would be way ahead of where we are.
                          Over the noon hour I saw an interview with the Governor of West Virginia. I believe they have everyone in their nursing homes vaccinated, and I think they have their healthcare workers vaccinated. He said that they're starting on everyone 80 and above. When they run out of those people, they're going 70 and above, and then 60 and above, and so on. As he pointed out, it's not exactly rocket science. Get it into the arms of the aged and everything takes care of itself.
                          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                          • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                            Don't we leave flu vaccinations up to the states?
                            Yes but that is a different scenario and a different set up. The flu vaccine has years of being part of the system, people know it and there is existing infrastructure in place to make it work. It is also a pretty voluntary deal as the flu vaccine isnt a guarantee you wont get the flu as there are many strains. There is not a flu pandemic year to year either...and the flu vaccine is not the reason that is the case. (it is helpful though)

                            This is a new vaccine for a virus that hasn't been around all that long. A virus that a large percentage of people don't believe is real and is now killing thousands per day. The only way to stop that is to have a massive rollout and massive buy in and as fast as possible. The flu shot you can get pretty much whenever and it will be effective overall...in this case the longer it takes for people to get it the more people are going to die. Until a large percentage of the population gets the shot we can never truly re-open we will always be at the whim of a new spread. If say NoDak has most of its people get the shot but Wisconsin doesn't that is problematic. The Feds needed to be a major force in the early rollout, make sure the States got the promised doses and told the states exactly how this had to work. Once a baseline has been set and things are rolling THEN you let the states have the wheel.

                            I get your point, but it isnt an apples to apples comparison IMHO.
                            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                            -INCH

                            Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                            -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                            • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                              I'm reading an article from CNBC citing the British Health Minister saying that the South African variant is much more worrisome than the UK variant... My crude understanding is that the spike protein has some changes to it in the SA variant that the UK one doesn't. So there are more questions about the vaccine's effectiveness about the SA variant.
                              Anecdote alert: our South African au pair has had 2 family members (her aunt, age 45, and her grandmother, age 65) pass away within the last 6 days. Several other family members, neighbors, and friends positive and symptomatic - it is spreading fast.


                              If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                              • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                                Over the noon hour I saw an interview with the Governor of West Virginia. I believe they have everyone in their nursing homes vaccinated, and I think they have their healthcare workers vaccinated. He said that they're starting on everyone 80 and above. When they run out of those people, they're going 70 and above, and then 60 and above, and so on. As he pointed out, it's not exactly rocket science. Get it into the arms of the aged and everything takes care of itself.
                                Well that is fine for WV (and he is 100% correct) but that is easier to do there than say...California, TX or NY wouldn't you say? There is some rather obvious differences.

                                Again, if actual people with knowledge of this stuff were in charge on the federal level things would be better off. Make the decisions at the highest level and get things going. Take the decision making out of the hands from the people who are apparently overthinking everything. Not to mention it will offset the "it isnt real" rhetoric if it comes from the people they trust. (i.e. Trump and Trumpers)
                                "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                                -aparch

                                "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                                -INCH

                                Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                                -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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