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Originally posted by rufus View PostWe had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.
I wonder if the military is mandating. On the one hand: the grunts have no rights and even if soldiers don't understand science the brass do. On the other hand: pervasive ashattery throughout the services.Last edited by Kepler; 12-30-2020, 01:42 PM.Cornell University
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Originally posted by rufus View Post
We had an article in the local paper today, first responders like police, fire, and ambulance are starting to get vaccinated. IF THEY WANT TO.
What??? I'm sorry, you work in those areas, you get vaccinated, end of story. Condition of your employment. You don't like it, fine, you can go work at Wal-Mart. You don't need to be continued to be employed by the town.
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Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
I think if companies will start the vaccination process, they will wait for a vaccine that doesn't require the super cold storage. Limiting failures due to process and human error as much as possible would be best. Those failure points skyrocket once you introduce additional transit stretches into the distribution process.
A county government should be able to figure this out; a state certainly should; and if the feds can’t, we’re all ****ed.
Anyways... a state should be able to figure out how to roll up a redundant pair of cold storage semis to a site no matter how rural the location and get people vaccinated. This isn’t hard. It’s just a malicious refusal of some localities to participate.
Exit: Actually, going back to the context, I realize my point was that a state could easily contract with companies and pharmacies to distribute to local communities once we get to a phase where we’re shipping millions of doses a week.Last edited by dxmnkd316; 12-30-2020, 02:25 PM.Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
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Originally posted by jerphisch View PostI'd bet companies are concerned with liability of company sponsored vaccinations of a new vaccine.Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
Originally posted by SanTropezMay your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.Originally posted by bigblue_dlI don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..Originally posted by KeplerWhen the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
I agree with your numbers. I do see some potential problems though, particularly as it relates to rural areas/counties:
(1) There aren't necessarily even 15 people (or 5 sites) in every county capable of providing the vaccines in rural areas. We would need to have a lot of people traveling to rural counties to provides the vaccinations. Doable, but it may not make the most sense.
(2) There are a lot of really large (and really rural) counties, and to vaccinate everyone within the county would require some significant travel. I'm not saying it is not worth it, but some people may not be willing to travel very far to get the vaccine.
(3) Even if we were able to vaccinate at the rates you are talking about (essentially, 2,160 vaccinations/day/county), there would be a lot of counties that would be done within a day or two.
If it were me, I would focus on the most populated areas in the state, and have limited sites in the rural areas. You probably don't get to 6.5M vaccinations per day, but you can probably get 1-2M/day.
An obvious location to do this are at pharmacies- since they already to flu shots. And I know of 3 within a mile. Which makes the point about remote counties and people even more stark- it would take some work to find a central enough spot. But using pharmacies that most people have access to would pretty much cover enough people to get herd immunity.
Th greater point is that it's not that hard. Every single person and every single business in this country gets mail every day but Sunday. So to think we can't do multi-millions of things every day is not really correct.
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Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
I was kind of hinting toward an average. Like it would be pretty easy to find 20-30 sites in Wayne County (Metro Detroit) Michigan. And that would mean some remote county could deal with one. And another 20 in each touching county to that.
An obvious location to do this are at pharmacies- since they already to flu shots. And I know of 3 within a mile. Which makes the point about remote counties and people even more stark- it would take some work to find a central enough spot. But using pharmacies that most people have access to would pretty much cover enough people to get herd immunity.
Th greater point is that it's not that hard. Every single person and every single business in this country gets mail every day but Sunday. So to think we can't do multi-millions of things every day is not really correct.
I would mandate that every person who walks into a hospital or clinic gets stuck. I don't care if they come in because they have a rash on their ballsack. Vaccinate them. Every single one. They have time to take my temperature and ask me a bunch of questions, they have time to stick me with a needle.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
Furthermore, pharmacies would actually get it done. They love foot traffic. Nothing that Walgreens or CVS loves better than handing out free flu shots to the oldsters.
I would mandate that every person who walks into a hospital or clinic gets stuck. I don't care if they come in because they have a rash on their ballsack. Vaccinate them. Every single one. They have time to take my temperature and ask me a bunch of questions, they have time to stick me with a needle.What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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Originally posted by rufus View Post
OK, sure. But they need a vaccine to stick you with. Whatcha gonna do about that?That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Say that's true. I doubt it, but say it is. 11 million whole doses! For the entire country!!! For a vaccine that needs two doses/person. Wow.
Is that for this week? What about next week? The week after?
Gonna be a lot of sticking of folks just walking into the hospital.What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?
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So in reply to one post suggesting that vaccinating everyone is really hard, we came up with the obvious solution to cover everyone within a half a day. One that most people here could agree with. (not vaccinate everyone in a half day, but the potential workable solution)
The big issue now is to get coolers out to places, but those have been ordered for many places already- I had heard that my company bought a bunch. But that was just one of the vaccines.
In contrast, the "leadership" we have still have no idea to vaccinate 1M people a day. Who in the world is running this country?
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Originally posted by Handyman View Post
There is going to be a lot of people in 2 weeks asking for thoughts and prayers...
Maybe they'll all be dead by 1/20.Last edited by Kepler; 12-30-2020, 03:51 PM.Cornell University
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