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  • Originally posted by alfablue
    One thing to say, hovey- we are not bashing your states because they are doing it wrong. Everyone here wants people to NOT DIE. We have added a new way of dying, where some parts of the community really want to prevent this new way of dying as much as possible. This isn't an insignificant way of dying- it still has the potential of being the #1 way over 12 months if we are not careful over the next 3 months. Which would be a horrible tragedy that so many people die when it's been clearly shown that they didn't have to die.

    Much like how we address the many ways of getting cancer, or or heart disease, or car crashes- yea, people just die from that- but we have worked hard as a society to minimize those deaths as much as we can reasonably do. Seeing how other countries have prevented COVID19 deaths, it's rather obvious that we, as a country, are nowhere near doing as much as we reasonably can do.

    And that's where all of the frustration comes from. It just gets directed at areas of the country who seem to be doing a particularly bad job, especially when there's been time to prepare and know what to do.
    Yeah, I understand. Trust me, people bash North Dakota all the time. We're used to it, and probably enjoy it too, to be honest. It's nice to know people still realize we exist.

    Again, I'm not here claiming that people who choose to gather, people who refuse to wear masks, etc..., are making good decisions. My whole point is that rather than ascribe bad motives to them, I personally believe their actions can be chalked up to pretty common human behavior. I think there is way, way too much demonization of people, of casting blame or finger pointing, that occurs in this country right now, over everything, and I don't think it's helpful, or for that matter, particularly healthy. But that' just my two cents.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    • If the literature and conversations about seat-belts were happening today instead of in the 1950s and 1960s can you imagine how politicized that would be?

      The science on how to prevent the spread of covid and to minimize the numbers of those getting sick and dying is every bit as accurate and fact-based as that used to show people why seat belts were important and how they worked. Millions of lives have been saved because of the use of seat belts (not to mention the myriad other advances we have made in auto safety technology over the last 50 years since seat belts and shoulder harnesses became mandatory and standard in all cars).

      95% of the pushback on seat-belts was from the manufacturers and was from a cost perspective until they began to realize that dead people can't buy another car and surviving a horrible crash in a Chevy or a Ford meant you would most likely consider buying ANOTHER Chevy or Ford to replace the one that was totaled. Masks and social distancing costs are negligible. The evidence proves both work to slow the spread of COVID.

      We all should be twice as smart as we were in 1950 or 1960. Why are so many of us dumber?

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      • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        https://twitter.com/roto_tudor/statu...265682434?s=20





        Edit: I cleaned up the tweet grammar a little because the order of words were a little confusing.
        We did this very setup last April - we got about 80 iPads/stands. Some permanently lived inside the "hot zones", and some were designed to be modular.

        What really breaks my heart is knowing that families said goodbye to loved ones through those very ipads.
        I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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        • Someone posting this has generated the following comments made with not a shred of sarcasm nor satire:

          Definitely a message sent ahead
          Vince Flynn’s book released in 2019 was about a SARS like biological attack.
          Kristina Ammon and Dan Brown wrote a book about a biological weapon being released that sterilizes the populace.
          They’ve been planning a long time. Throwing it in our faces. Unless you are a socialist how can you not get on Trumps wagon?
          Messages we didn't see, nor acknowledge..why would we(?). But it's obvious now!!
          Between this, the Hollywood disclosures, and Event 201, they really must think we are too stupid to see it!
          Seriously I can't fu***ng even.

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          • They've made Operation: Jade Helm look sane. That's impressive buffoonery.
            "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

            "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

            "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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            • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

              Yeah, I understand. Trust me, people bash North Dakota all the time. We're used to it, and probably enjoy it too, to be honest. It's nice to know people still realize we exist.

              Again, I'm not here claiming that people who choose to gather, people who refuse to wear masks, etc..., are making good decisions. My whole point is that rather than ascribe bad motives to them, I personally believe their actions can be chalked up to pretty common human behavior. I think there is way, way too much demonization of people, of casting blame or finger pointing, that occurs in this country right now, over everything, and I don't think it's helpful, or for that matter, particularly healthy. But that' just my two cents.
              You know, if you didn't want finger-pointing, maybe a mask mandate and not holding Sturgis during a pandemic would have been prudent choices.
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              • Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                If the literature and conversations about seat-belts were happening today instead of in the 1950s and 1960s can you imagine how politicized that would be?
                Imagine today's cons' rhetoric on the 1930s roll out of sulfa drugs to treat venereal diseases.

                VD is God's sacred punishment! You offering sulfa drugs to save other people violates my religious liberty!

                Actually, that's exactly what the churches argued.

                The morons have always been with us.
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                • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

                  You know, if you didn't want finger-pointing, maybe a mask mandate and not holding Sturgis during a pandemic would have been prudent choices.
                  Does finger pointing help? I ask that question seriously. Personally, I think in many instances it simply causes people to further dig in their heels.

                  With respect to Sturgis, personally I think it would have been a bad decision to attend. But SD did not "hold" Sturgis. It's not a state sponsored event at all. Could the State have stepped in and implemented some sort of order banning large gatherings. They could have, but I don't know that it would have prevented it from occurring. It didn't prevent that rodeo in northern Minnesota from occurring.

                  That study about Sturgis that someone linked to awhile back showed that Hennepin County was in the top 10, I believe, of all counties in the U.S. from whence Sturgis participants came. Could Minnesota, or Hennepin County have enacted a rule that said that if you go to Sturgis, you must isolate and quarantine for 14 days before re-entering Minnesota? Yeah, they could have, but they didn't. But I don't point the finger at Minnesota or Hennepin county for not doing that.

                  I've never really been a big fan of playing the blame game. Sure, if you are trying to prosecute someone for a crime, or of you are suing someone for a wrong, you legally have to blame someone. But just in general, I don't find it helpful. Too often I think it is done because it makes the blamer feel better about himself or herself, or maybe even because there is a deepseated guilt in the blamer's own mind about his or her role in the problem.

                  To each his own, obviously.
                  That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                  • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    I think there is way, way too much demonization of people, of casting blame or finger pointing, that occurs in this country right now, over everything, and I don't think it's helpful, or for that matter, particularly healthy.
                    Next on Fox: arsonists for hire object to unfair liberal stigma. "Just trying to keep my business open!"
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                    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                      Imagine today's cons' rhetoric on the 1930s roll out of sulfa drugs to treat venereal diseases.

                      VD is God's sacred punishment! You offering sulfa drugs to save other people violates my religious liberty!

                      Actually, that's exactly what the churches argued.

                      The morons have always been with us.
                      What if this pandemic, instead of being a respiratory virus, was a disease ravaging the gay community, transmitted primarily through sexual contact? In the interest of public health you'd support an effort by the conservative SD governor to place a temporary ban on all gay sexual contact, you know, just until the crisis passed?
                      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                      • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                        What if this pandemic, instead of being a respiratory virus, was a disease ravaging the gay community, transmitted primarily through sexual contact? In the interest of public health you'd support an effort by the conservative SD governor to place a temporary ban on all gay sexual contact, you know, just until the crisis passed?
                        I would regulate bath houses, pick up joints, brothels, swingers clubs, frat parties, social media hook-up apps and other mechanisms that increase indiscriminate sex.

                        I'd dispense medically effective PPE for free to anyone who wanted it, no questions asked.

                        And I'd multiply research funding for the disease by 100.

                        And I'd send out PSAs for everyone to be very careful about sexual contact, since obviously there is nothing special about gays and the fact of their initial higher exposure was a contingent accident, like AIDS.

                        I would not "ban sexual contact" (however you'd even do that), since that would make no sense. But of course nobody has suggested anything analogous in the COVID case.

                        I might have priests, Republican Congressmen, conservative pundits, and evangelical pastors wear little yellow badges, though, given their historical proclivities. Under the condition you posit, rapists would be far more of a lethal threat to innocent people.
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                        • That's a ridiculous analogy. No one is banning anyone from contact - restaurant and gym and church closures are not in any way analogous to banning sexual contact. What silly right wing nonsense machine did you steal that from?
                          I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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                          • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                            Does finger pointing help? I ask that question seriously. Personally, I think in many instances it simply causes people to further dig in their heels.

                            With respect to Sturgis, personally I think it would have been a bad decision to attend. But SD did not "hold" Sturgis. It's not a state sponsored event at all. Could the State have stepped in and implemented some sort of order banning large gatherings. They could have, but I don't know that it would have prevented it from occurring. It didn't prevent that rodeo in northern Minnesota from occurring.

                            That study about Sturgis that someone linked to awhile back showed that Hennepin County was in the top 10, I believe, of all counties in the U.S. from whence Sturgis participants came. Could Minnesota, or Hennepin County have enacted a rule that said that if you go to Sturgis, you must isolate and quarantine for 14 days before re-entering Minnesota? Yeah, they could have, but they didn't. But I don't point the finger at Minnesota or Hennepin county for not doing that.

                            I've never really been a big fan of playing the blame game. Sure, if you are trying to prosecute someone for a crime, or of you are suing someone for a wrong, you legally have to blame someone. But just in general, I don't find it helpful. Too often I think it is done because it makes the blamer feel better about himself or herself, or maybe even because there is a deepseated guilt in the blamer's own mind about his or her role in the problem.

                            To each his own, obviously.
                            I don't really think this is about blame. If the people acknowledged they had done something that was causing irreparable harm and acted to prevent further harm then I think it would be moot. The problem is there are people clinging to the belief that they shouldn't be told what to do and they are not only causing themselves harm but they are metastasizing that harm in a way that spreads across the country. Add to that they are now using tax dollar and other resources to deal with the problem while still messaging they have a right to do what they want.

                            Libertarianism only works when there is a pressure to behave in a socially responsible way. With rights come responsibilities. When people want the rights at the expense (harm and $$) of others then it isn't really surprising that folks get agitated. Now if they came out and said they want to do what they want but wouldn't travel to other places and would decline federal support- then I wouldn't think them smart but ....

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                            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                              I would regulate bath houses, pick up joints, brothels, frat parties, social media hook-up apps and other mechanisms that increase indiscriminate sex.

                              I'd dispense medically effective PPE for free to anyone who wanted it, no questions asked.

                              And I'd multiply research funding for the disease by 100.

                              And I'd send out PSAs for everyone to be very careful about sexual contact, since obviously there is nothing special about gays and the fact of their initial higher exposure was a contingent accident, like AIDS.

                              I would not "ban sexual contact" (however you'd even do that), since that would make no sense. But of course nobody has suggested anything analogous in the COVID case.

                              I might have priests, Republican Congressmen, conservative pundits, and evangelical pastors wear little yellow badges, though, given their historical proclivities.
                              The point is not whether anything "analogous" has been implemented for Covid.

                              The question is this. How willing are you to grant plenary powers to a single individual in your state to do what they conclude is in the public's best safety interest, keeping in mind, as everyone here is so happy to point out, there is a pretty wide range of viewpoints among those who hold the governors offices.
                              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                              • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post

                                The point is not whether anything "analogous" has been implemented for Covid.

                                The question is this. How willing are you to grant plenary powers to a single individual in your state to do what they conclude is in the public's best safety interest, keeping in mind, as everyone here is so happy to point out, there is a pretty wide range of viewpoints among those who hold the governors offices.
                                We could stop making this about political choice and start with listening to the experts. Not the political hacks but the experts. There are a lot of things that are not controversial. Most other countries seem to be able to do this. We stand out as being incapable of a national response.

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