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  • Restaurants here were deserted in March before they were closed - it's ludicrous to think that it would be business as usual everywhere if we'd just open back up. People with brains aren't traveling or going out. Add to that the impact of every hospital in the country being overwhelmed and you have an even deeper negative impact on the economy.

    Kick and scream and lie and obfuscate all you want, COVID does not care.
    I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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    • Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
      For those who have intact cognitive function and reasoning skills, here is a good debunking of the 6% nonsense. Good outline for those who have never filled one out explaining how death certificates work and how those who forward the 6% meme, really do not have any idea what they are talking about.

      https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020...isinformation/
      That's pretty good!

      One thing we forget is that "Cause of death" is often extremely subjective. My mother's official cause of death was CHF, but what killed her was something far more complicated and not fit for a death certificate.
      I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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      • Originally posted by Swansong View Post
        Restaurants here were deserted in March before they were closed - it's ludicrous to think that it would be business as usual everywhere if we'd just open back up. People with brains aren't traveling or going out. Add to that the impact of every hospital in the country being overwhelmed and you have an even deeper negative impact on the economy.

        Kick and scream and lie and obfuscate all you want, COVID does not care.
        Not for nothing.....

        but mookie got tested on aug 11 to be able to travel out of the middle east

        mookie has been on 12 different flight segments through 9 cities

        in 4 of those Mookie was out, shopping and in restaurants and golf clubs and even got a massage here in Florida.

        mookie ALWAYS had a mask on outside of the house and social distanced (well except...).

        mookie got a test this morning so he could re-enter his home in the ME and he passed.

        so it seems, masks and social distancing work. Cause mookie is certainly not blessed

        ergo....WEAR A DAM MASK!!!
        a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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        • mookie, calling it a massage doesn't really make it a massage.
          What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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          • Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
            For those who have intact cognitive function and reasoning skills, here is a good debunking of the 6% nonsense. Good outline for those who have never filled one out explaining how death certificates work and how those who forward the 6% meme, really do not have any idea what they are talking about.

            https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020...isinformation/
            Interesting link, WW. So what I got out of this was a few things, one of which was that while the 6% figure was not a fair or accurate analysis, it IS fair to say that 6% of the medical professionals who filled out the death certificates were/are not smart enough to fill them out correctly. That's not terribly reassuring. And further to the Dr. Birx quote on the "liberal counting" ... the cited item concedes that no more than 92.3% of the reported COVID-19 patients who died, passed away as a result of it.

            With the other subjective elements involved, the only thing we can probably agree upon with certainty is the true number of COVID-19 deaths is somewhere in between 6% and 92.3%. And even if it's closer to 92.3%, does that mean it's 80%? 70%? 60%?? In any instance, it's a significant number AND also debunks the whole "undercounting" scenario that some on here still try to put forward with a straight face.

            And keep in mind, a large segment of the data is coming from persons of older age, with many of them who (on top of that) have already been consigned to assisted living facilities. That does not make them meaningless; it does make them more susceptible, and (for what it's worth) the average life expectancy in assisted living facilities (admission to death) is roughly two years, give or take. The only point here is, these comorbidities aren't minor conditions - they're usually what got the patient there into assisted living in the first place.

            Of course, there are many who had not gotten to assisted living yet, and their additional comorbidities may likely have been on average well below the 2.6 per patient average, whilst those in assisted living were likely well above the 2.6 average.

            You didn't raise this - someone else did - but with all due respect, AIDS is an at-best-incomplete comparison to COVID-19. The age of those affected by AIDS was/is on average much lower than that of those who died with COVID-19. Comorbidities prior to infection were/are a much smaller factor with AIDS. I'm only guessing that deaths from AIDS for those already in assisted living scenarios was/is microscopic.

            All in all, there's a lot more nuance into the overall analysis than most are willing to admit. Yet the media and the Dems (but I repeat myself) only go to the highest number possible.

            To paraphrase Jeb2020 ... the effect is to try to make something kind of scary into something that's really scary. And if we're all being honest here ... that's the whole ballgame, isn't it?
            Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
            Montreal Expos Forever ...

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            • https://twitter.com/OBusybody/status...43601969078274

              It's been 2 months since Dr. Fauci warned of 100k new cases/day. Since then:

              Most states continued to open up
              Daily testing doubled
              False positives were very common.

              Even with all of that, we still never went above 75k/day and haven't been above 50k/day in 2 weeks.


              And the tests are absolutely junk.

              Man this dude is wrong about just about everything.


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                • 40 days of Magical Mask Mandate in MN. Everywhere I go people are wearing their dirty face diapers.

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

                    Interesting link, WW. So what I got out of this was a few things, one of which was that while the 6% figure was not a fair or accurate analysis, it IS fair to say that 6% of the medical professionals who filled out the death certificates were/are not smart enough to fill them out correctly. That's not terribly reassuring.
                    Thank you for actually reading it (sincerely). I am a bit short on time so I will be be brief. The 6%...is what it is. There are physicians that are subpar. There are also honest mistakes in the endless stream of paperwork.

                    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                    With the other subjective elements involved, the only thing we can probably agree upon with certainty is the true number of COVID-19 deaths is somewhere in between 6% and 92.3%. And even if it's closer to 92.3%, does that mean it's 80%? 70%? 60%?? In any instance, it's a significant number AND also debunks the whole "undercounting" scenario that some on here still try to put forward with a straight face.
                    I, and nearly every physician I know on the front lines, still believe we under counted especially early when the feds were sitting on their hands, not rolling out tests. I know of several deaths and even more patients that I saw with mild symptoms that were in hindsight, likely Covid. Death rates were up (these numbers are complicated, I agree, but there are clear spikes in the data in Spring).

                    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                    The only point here is, these comorbidities aren't minor conditions - they're usually what got the patient there into assisted living in the first place.
                    If you read the CDC report and Dr. Gorski's article, you see that the vast majority co-morbidities are acquired from Covid. When you die, you go into septic shock, get a PE, cardiac arrest, heart failure etc. What is causing this is Covid. If your brain herniates from a hemispheric stroke, you typically die of cardiac arrest. How do you propose that be listed? I will write both but it is considered a stroke mortality. AIDS is a serviceable comparison as it illustrates the point but like all comparisons, it is not perfect.

                    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
                    the effect is to try to make something kind of scary into something that's really scary. And if we're all being honest here ... that's the whole ballgame, isn't it?
                    We are nearing 200K deaths. I have lost friends and colleagues to this disease. I have worked in a Covid ward (thankfully not primarily). It is pretty ****ing scary. Get with the program, stop spreading misinformation because you find it politically advantageous and do your ****ing part to save some of your fellow Americans lives.
                    In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

                    Originally posted by burd
                    I look at some people and I just know they do it doggy style. No way they're getting close to my kids.

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                    • Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post

                      1. I, and nearly every physician I know on the front lines, still believe we under counted especially early when the feds were sitting on their hands, not rolling out tests. I know of several deaths and even more patients that I saw with mild symptoms that were in hindsight, likely Covid. Death rates were up (these numbers are complicated, I agree, but there are clear spikes in the data in Spring).

                      2. If you read the CDC report and Dr. Gorski's article, you see that the vast majority co-morbidities are acquired from Covid. When you die, you go into septic shock, get a PE, cardiac arrest, heart failure etc. What is causing this is Covid. If your brain herniates from a hemispheric stroke, you typically die of cardiac arrest. How do you propose that be listed? I will write both but it is considered a stroke mortality. AIDS is a serviceable comparison as it illustrates the point but like all comparisons, it is not perfect.
                      1. The tests are absolute junk. This was identified right out of the gates.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/h...s-testing.html

                      On top of that we don't even have a Gold Standard which to confirm positive cases.


                      2. The vast majority of Co-morbities are acquired from Covid? You are joking right?


                      The pandemic is long gone. All that is left is a Casedemic, horrific data and fraudulent media information.

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                      • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

                        Interesting link, WW. So what I got out of this was a few things, one of which was that while the 6% figure was not a fair or accurate analysis, it IS fair to say that 6% of the medical professionals who filled out the death certificates were/are not smart enough to fill them out correctly. That's not terribly reassuring. And further to the Dr. Birx quote on the "liberal counting" ... the cited item concedes that no more than 92.3% of the reported COVID-19 patients who died, passed away as a result of it.

                        With the other subjective elements involved, the only thing we can probably agree upon with certainty is the true number of COVID-19 deaths is somewhere in between 6% and 92.3%. And even if it's closer to 92.3%, does that mean it's 80%? 70%? 60%?? In any instance, it's a significant number AND also debunks the whole "undercounting" scenario that some on here still try to put forward with a straight face.

                        And keep in mind, a large segment of the data is coming from persons of older age, with many of them who (on top of that) have already been consigned to assisted living facilities. That does not make them meaningless; it does make them more susceptible, and (for what it's worth) the average life expectancy in assisted living facilities (admission to death) is roughly two years, give or take. The only point here is, these comorbidities aren't minor conditions - they're usually what got the patient there into assisted living in the first place.

                        Of course, there are many who had not gotten to assisted living yet, and their additional comorbidities may likely have been on average well below the 2.6 per patient average, whilst those in assisted living were likely well above the 2.6 average.

                        You didn't raise this - someone else did - but with all due respect, AIDS is an at-best-incomplete comparison to COVID-19. The age of those affected by AIDS was/is on average much lower than that of those who died with COVID-19. Comorbidities prior to infection were/are a much smaller factor with AIDS. I'm only guessing that deaths from AIDS for those already in assisted living scenarios was/is microscopic.

                        All in all, there's a lot more nuance into the overall analysis than most are willing to admit. Yet the media and the Dems (but I repeat myself) only go to the highest number possible.

                        To paraphrase Jeb2020 ... the effect is to try to make something kind of scary into something that's really scary. And if we're all being honest here ... that's the whole ballgame, isn't it?

                        Hey Chucky....too afraid to respond to someone you know you can't really compete with? Sorry I made you look so bad by pointing out you were getting your info off of a Q'Anon believer who copied something from a Facebook post. Also, literally almost every legitimate expert in the country in regards to Covid is saying we are very likely under-counting deaths attributable to Covid by about 20,000-30,000.

                        I'll ask you the same thing I asked Mr. 1820 last night, you do realize that literally 98% plus of all of the scientific and medical experts with legitimately respected knowledge in relation to this virus are saying this thing is a very big deal.They're all also saying that we need to be testing in far greater daily numbers than we currently are, that there should be a national mask mandate, that another 6 week lockdown is our best bet at actually getting the virus under control, that we shouldn't be opening schools up full bore, among a number of other things.

                        So please explain to me why it is YOU think they are taking these more cautious positions? Do you REALLY THINK that 98% plus of the world's legitimate experts in regards to this virus are just part of the DEEP STATE and that they're willing to completely screw up the world's economies just to make sure Trump doesn't get re-elected?!? If not, please explain why all of these extremely learned people -- all of them with FAR, FAR more knowledge of the virus than you -- are taking the positions that they are.

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                        • 1820....in relation to your post about how wrong Fauci supposedly was, you do realize that was a "worst case scenario", right? He made the statement on June 30th and, at that time, the number of average daily positives was around 40,000. Within 30 days, on July 31st, the national total of positive cases was 73,500 cases. Meaning, he was dead right in his prediction you moron. The only reason it never reached 100,000, is because even enough Republican governors decided to mandate masks, along with closing down bars and restaurants and beaches for a couple weeks. Otherwise, it would've reached 100,000. Are facts and logic really this difficult for you? It's OK, you've actually already answered that about 100 times since you started posting here...

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                          • Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post

                            Thank you for actually reading it (sincerely). I am a bit short on time so I will be be brief. The 6%...is what it is. There are physicians that are subpar. There are also honest mistakes in the endless stream of paperwork.



                            I, and nearly every physician I know on the front lines, still believe we under counted especially early when the feds were sitting on their hands, not rolling out tests. I know of several deaths and even more patients that I saw with mild symptoms that were in hindsight, likely Covid. Death rates were up (these numbers are complicated, I agree, but there are clear spikes in the data in Spring).

                            If you read the CDC report and Dr. Gorski's article, you see that the vast majority co-morbidities are acquired from Covid. When you die, you go into septic shock, get a PE, cardiac arrest, heart failure etc. What is causing this is Covid. If your brain herniates from a hemispheric stroke, you typically die of cardiac arrest. How do you propose that be listed? I will write both but it is considered a stroke mortality. AIDS is a serviceable comparison as it illustrates the point but like all comparisons, it is not perfect.



                            We are nearing 200K deaths. I have lost friends and colleagues to this disease. I have worked in a Covid ward (thankfully not primarily). It is pretty ****ing scary. Get with the program, stop spreading misinformation because you find it politically advantageous and do your ****ing part to save some of your fellow Americans lives.
                            If Chuck actually tries to come back from this and continue to deny the likelihood that deaths attributed to Covid have most likely been under-counted and not over, we have it front and center how someone like Trump got elected in the first place. Utter stupidity, willful ignorance and/or sheer madness.

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                            • Originally posted by Jeb2020 View Post
                              2. The vast majority of Co-morbities are acquired from Covid? You are joking right?

                              The pandemic is long gone. All that is left is a Casedemic, horrific data and fraudulent media information.
                              I was actually willing to follow along with WW on some aspects of his response until he dropped this one into the mix. It totally ignored the point that the folks who were impacted by COVID-19 in assisted living scenarios were greatly impaired to begin with. I'll concede that it may be a small sample size, but if I work with the pool of my six direct bloodline elders - i.e. two parents and four grandparents - only one (paternal grandfather) died before age 60 (heart attack), and the other five all made it to at least 80 years old. One of my parents is still alive, and pushing 90. Of the four who died in their 80's (plus the lone survivor), none had/have a significant comorbidity and each and every one of them expressed a strong opinion that they did not want to ever go into assisted living. And even with that, one of my grandparents had to go into that kind of setting due to advanced Alzheimer's. She had more comorbidities than the other four folks, combined. Sad but 100% true.

                              It's not hard to figure out why no one wants to go. You're not going into assisted living for some sort of Club Med vacation, you're going there to live out the rest of your days, because you are likely already very compromised, and you'll at least get daily medical and nursing care in such a setting. Your average life expectancy is two (2) years, well below the norm.

                              Here in the Northeast, the percentage of COVID-19 deaths in assisted living facilities compared to the overall population has been extremely high, and some of that was due to mismanagement of facilities taking direction from their respective States. I'm not sure that's the same thing you folks are seeing out in the Midwest or not? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but if you look at the three states where the highest proportion of pro rata COVID deaths have been, they are NJ, NY and MA. And each of those three states could have had a much smaller proportion had they managed assisted living scenarios better.

                              For our medical professionals, I very much understand the "First do no harm" principle, and everything and anything that's taken place during my lifetime has reflected the practice of "defensive medicine" as necessitated by the proliferation of med malpractice litigation. So our medical providers have my sympathies and my understanding. But that doesn't mean safety should ever be the end-all, be-all of day-to-day living. Maybe some of you feel differently? But cars aren't safe ... boating isn't safe ... most team sports aren't safe. Life comes with its risks. I'm not asking anyone to take any precautions around me, any more than I ask idiots with squeegees to get paid for voluntarily washing my windows outside the Lincoln Tunnel.

                              I can honestly say I've tried to have a rational discussion, and thought I might actually be getting there with WW, but then the Karen-style lecture still managed to emerge at the end. It's almost as if you folks can't help yourselves. What a shame ...
                              Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
                              Montreal Expos Forever ...

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                              • https://twitter.com/cadiulus/status/1300408867717812231


                                Carrie Diulus, M.D.
                                @cadiulus

                                I have Type 1 diabetes. I am healthy enough to run ultramarathons. If I get attacked by a bear & the ICU has trouble managing my blood sugar while caring for my bear attack wounds...and I die... the bear is the cause of my death. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. #COVID19
                                I think this pretty well sums it up. bronco already had it with the AIDS analogy. Throw this in and the argument is over.

                                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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