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Originally posted by unofan View PostJoe thinks the Voting Rights Act requires discriminating based on race against White people.CCT '77 & '78
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostWhy should that ever be the goal?
There should be one goal, and one goal alone. The districts should be created to create, as near as possible, identical population totals in each district, and to do so in the most geometrically normal way. Anything else should automatically be deemed unconstitutional. This idea that we need two "safe" minority districts because we have five "safe" white districts or some such thing is crazy.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!
Originally posted by LynahFan View PostGeometry is your overriding concern? Really?
Divide them up mathematically in geometric sensible shapes. When you start departing from the geometric sensible shapes, then I know you are asking "who" is in the district.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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I don't like "geometry"; I'd prefer "geography". Making a district with a river down the middle and only one bridge and one polling station (so somebody has to cross) seems wrong.
But yes, just raw numbers of voters please, no "who" or "demographics" thank you.The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Originally posted by The Sicatoka View PostI don't like "geometry"; I'd prefer "geography". Making a district with a river down the middle and only one bridge and one polling station (so somebody has to cross) seems wrong.
But yes, just raw numbers of voters please, no "who" or "demographics" thank you.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!
Originally posted by SJHovey View PostMy overriding concern is "how many" are in the district. The minute anyone inquires "who" is in the district, then you are instantly making it about race, sex, national origin, party affiliation, etc..., and that is improper. At that point you forfeit all right to biatch about gerrymandering. If those are going to be the rules you want, don't whine when you are not in power and they work against you.
Divide them up mathematically in geometric sensible shapes. When you start departing from the geometric sensible shapes, then I know you are asking "who" is in the district.
While having the logical appearance of being fair and unbiased it's obvious that, since we know who lives where, this results in heavily gerrymandering the district split strongly in favor of r's. Which is what d's are all *****ing about.
For example, let's say we have a state with 12 people. (not unlike ND) And, just pulling letters out of the sky here, let's call them "d's" and "r's". There are 8 d's and 4 r's. 6 of the d's all live next door to each other in their own little bubble and spend their days repeating gossip to each other and reinforcing how stupid all the r's are. The r's do the same, but since they are spread out and also have to spend hours actually making their own latte's rather than just picking one up, they have a bit less of an opportunity to gossip. At any rate, for practical reasons, like how many days wagon ride it is, and the lack of usable watering holes on the way to voting meets, etc., it's been decided to split the state into two districts for voting purposes. Since the 6 d's all live next door to one another, they naturally will be in one group and the remaining 4r's and 2d's in the other. Oddly, despite the 8 d's previously having an 8-4 voting advantage, everything now results in a deadlock.
What might actually be equitable is to have 3 r's + 3'd's vs. 5 d's + 1 r. But that would result in an odd shape, and shapes need to be nice, plus the d's want to go back to the old system, because r's are stupid and should have no say, and 8>4.Last edited by Wisko McBadgerton; 10-10-2018, 09:58 AM.Originally posted by WiscTJKI'm with Wisko and Tim.Originally posted by Timothy AOther than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?
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Originally posted by unofan View PostSo sayeth the guy who constantly links to 280 character statements and 30 second sound bytes (and yeah, Handy does too, and I don't like it anymore coming from him).
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Re: Gerrymandering: Quick, Draw!
Originally posted by The Sicatoka View PostI don't like "geometry"; I'd prefer "geography". Making a district with a river down the middle and only one bridge and one polling station (so somebody has to cross) seems wrong.
But yes, just raw numbers of voters please, no "who" or "demographics" thank you.
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