SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

[FlagDUDE08]

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A conservative is in the supreme court - whether Kavanaugh is better or worse than another conservative alternative is unknown.

The primary goal of the coming week is the impact on public opinion for midterms in general and the senate in particular.

The public opinion that the left is just a bunch of obstructionists that don't actually care about the topics they're spouting, but rather using them as weapons?

[The Sicatoka]

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The primary goal of the coming week is the impact on public opinion for midterms in general and the senate in particular.

And you must admit, it is a bit of a gambit. If the FBI comes back with "we can substantiate none of the claims beyond what the Committee already has" it won't be a good look. If the FBI comes back with corroboration that's a whole new world.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Handy mentioned last week the FBI is much better at interviewing than some Senate hearing. FBI interviews are ongoing. Wouldn't the FBI start with interviewing the accusers to know where to start looking? Dr Ford, who wanted anonymity, will get the exact opposite all in a week: a televised Senate hearing and a chat with the FBI to go over some details so they know where to start looking.

Next, the scope limitation seemed to be negotiated (most likely with the Sen from CT) by Sen Flake before his vote in Committee. He seemed to spell it out then. Trump's initial directive seemed to follow what Flake (clumsily) presented to the Committee. Now if Trump has since opened up the scope with his Tweets, might that be Trump looking to overboard someone, or is that Trump looking to say "they looked everywhere, I took off the restrictions".

They might be better at interviewing, but if the Democrats actually cared, don't you think they'd have questions in mind about the situation that they'd actually want to ask in order to shape a theoretically undecided opinion? She would have had the FBI investigation either way. The only difference is, had her anonymity stuck, it would have been under closed session.

The scope is the only reason Flake isn't being completely lynched by the right, as much as there are some terms going around. Without the scope, the left would be free to roll out another 5 or 6 people (which they'll probably still do, not like they're trying too hard as they didn't even bother to come up with a name on the 4th), which would result in ad infinitum obstruction. The Republicans put themselves between a rock and a hard place by giving any sort of inch to the contradictory accuser, and the left is correct that the right needs to finish what they started.

Was Dr. Ford abused? Probably was. However, could she be associating it with Kavanaugh? When you have troubled moments in your life, they can flash back when something (even a little thing) happens to you in the moment, resulting in "transference", something Sigmund Freud admits exists. In addition, there's the "Fregoli delusion", where you could see a feature of someone or something and immediately make you associate it with a troubled moment. If you ever hear a single woman say that she doesn't want a suitor because it reminds her of her ex-boyfriend in looks, that's an example. It's possible she suffers from both.

[rufus]

The public opinion that the left is just a bunch of obstructionists that don't actually care about the topics they're spouting, but rather using them as weapons?

Project much?

[FlagDUDE08]

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And you must admit, it is a bit of a gambit. If the FBI comes back with "we can substantiate none of the claims beyond what the Committee already has" it won't be a good look. If the FBI comes back with corroboration that's a whole new world.

FBI doesn't reach conclusions normally. They just report what was said, and allows the jury (in this case the Senate) to put two and two together in order to find out for themselves. That being said, ever since Comey's treatment of Hillary Clinton and the e-mails, the FBI has brought themselves into the business of drawing conclusions, which is likely why the left wants this. Since that precedent, they believe Wray will come back with a "he did it".

[dxmnkd316]

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And you must admit, it is a bit of a gambit. If the FBI comes back with "we can substantiate none of the claims beyond what the Committee already has" it won't be a good look. If the FBI comes back with corroboration that's a whole new world.

Well, I can free a caged bird and see if it flies. But if I clip its wings it’s not really a choice of the bird is it?

[The Sicatoka]

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Well, I can free a caged bird and see if it flies. But if I clip its wings it’s not really a choice of the bird is it?

Wouldn't that blame be on the deal that Sen Flake (and most likely Sen Coons) negotiated?

[The Sicatoka]

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FBI doesn't reach conclusions normally. They just report what was said, and allows the jury (in this case the Senate) to put two and two together in order to find out for themselves. That being said, ever since Comey's treatment of Hillary Clinton and the e-mails, the FBI has brought themselves into the business of drawing conclusions, which is likely why the left wants this. Since that precedent, they believe Wray will come back with a "he did it".

I'm not saying the FBI may come back with having reached a conclusion. However, I could see the FBI coming back with a finding that they have nothing more to report beyond what the Committee already has: no new findings, no new statements, no new information.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Dr Ford, who wanted anonymity, will get the exact opposite all in a week: a televised Senate hearing and a chat with the FBI to go over some details so they know where to start looking.

What is it you're trying to say with this? Isn't it possible that sometime ago she wanted to just forget all about this? Then she realized she had some sort of a duty to share what happened, because if it happened the way she said it, Kavanaugh certainly doesn't belong in any courtroom except as a defendant? And eventually she realized that a full statement and being open to questioning was the only fair way to go about this?

One of the weakest things about the right wing in today's world is a complete unwillingness to change your mind or seeing someone else do it as being a sign of weakness. Unless of course changing your mind for hypocrisy's sake is why it happens, then your average snowflake republican can do it in a heartbeat. That's why most of them will vote for a child molester if he's got an "r" next to his name.

[The Sicatoka]

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Dr Ford's allegation is plausible.

There's really no need for Jeffery Catalan after that.

[The Sicatoka]

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What is it you're trying to say with this?

Dr Ford had a rough week.

She doesn't like to fly.
She wanted anonymity.
Instead she got transcontinental travel, TV cameras, and probably a visit from the FBI.

I think we all owe her some empathy just for that.
Can't I show some simple humanity for a human being having a very rough week?

[rufus]

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Dr Ford had a rough week.

She doesn't like to fly.
She wanted anonymity.
Instead she got transcontinental travel, TV cameras, and probably a visit from the FBI.

I think we all owe her some empathy just for that.
Can't I show some simple humanity for a human being having a very rough week?

Dick

[rufus]

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Some investigation.

Can't ask about Kavanaugh's drinking.
Can't ask his classmates what boofing or Devil's Triangle means.
Can't interview Swetnick.


Avenatti's gonna have a field day embarrassing this administration once again.

[rufus]

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I'm not saying the FBI may come back with having reached a conclusion. However, I could see the FBI coming back with a finding that they have nothing more to report beyond what the Committee already has: no new findings, no new statements, no new information.

When you're not allowed to probe any further than the committee has, that's probably a safe bet.

[First Time, Long Time]

Dr Ford had a rough week.

She doesn't like to fly.
She wanted anonymity.
Instead she got transcontinental travel, TV cameras, and probably a visit from the FBI.

I think we all owe her some empathy just for that.
Can't I show some simple humanity for a human being having a very rough week?

You really are an *******.