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  • #646
    Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

    The Atlantic with a pretty good article (not surprisingly).

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...vivors/572083/

    Even as we must treat accusers with seriousness and dignity, we must hear out the accused fairly and respectfully, and recognize the potential lifetime consequences that such an allegation can bring. If believing the woman is the beginning and the end of a search for the truth, then we have left the realm of justice for religion. ...

    History demonstrates that ascribing honesty or dishonesty, criminality or righteousness solely on the basis of gender or race doesn’t increase the amount of equity in the world. ...

    Unfortunately, we must also accept the reality that the fact-finding process will, by its very nature, cause pain to both parties.
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    • #647
      Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

      Starting to see all the same signs I saw after the Billy Bush video. I do not have a good feeling about this nomination or the midterms anymore.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...h-ford/572023/

      When many conservative women around the country watched Christine Blasey Ford appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, they didn’t find her testimony compelling or convincing, as many liberals did.

      They saw a political farce.

      “Honestly, I don’t think I have ever been so angry in all of my adult life,” says Ginger Howard, a Republican national committeewoman from Georgia. “It brings me to the point of tears, it makes me so angry.”

      In interviews with roughly a dozen female conservative leaders from as many states, this was the overwhelming sentiment: These women are infuriated with the way the sexual-assault allegations against the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh have been handled. They are not convinced by Ford or any other woman who has come forward. They resent the implication that all women should support the accusers. And they believe that this scandal will ultimately hurt the cause of women who have been sexually assaulted.

      Above all, these women, and the women they know, are ready to lash out against Democrats in the upcoming midterm elections.

      Nearly all the women I spoke with are plugged into state- and local-level conservative politics. Their collective, overwhelming sense is that, like Howard, women voters are angry about what’s happening to Kavanaugh. “I’ve got women in my church who were not politically active at all who were incensed with this,” says Melody Potter, the chairwoman of the West Virginia Republican Party—the first woman to hold that position, she made sure to point out. In her state, the stakes of the Kavanaugh scandal are immense: Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is fighting for his seat in a place where more than two-thirds of voters supported Donald Trump in 2016. With voters “energized” to elect people “who are going to support President Trump,” Potter says, West Virginians are closely watching how Manchin acts on Kavanaugh—especially now that the situation has become so politicized.

      Organizers in other states say they’ve been hearing the same thing. “People in Indiana are angry. They are mad. They are changing their mind,” says Jodi Smith, the Indianapolis-based state director for the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List. When Senator Joe Donnelly, another vulnerable Democrat who is up for reelection in November, declared late last week that he would vote against Kavanaugh, it “started a firestorm of epic proportions,” Smith says. From her perspective on the ground in a highly contested swing state, “this is one of the best things that could happen to us.”
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      • #648
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        • #649
          Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

          Not to mince words, but couldn't there only be three witnesses per Dr. Ford's account: Kavanaugh, Judge, and herself. Anyone beyond would be offering corroborating hearsay, wouldn't they?
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          • #650
            Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
            Except you conveniently leave out where she said she also believes Ford's account. She just said she doesnt remember being at a party with Kavanaugh. Not the same thing at all.

            "However, as my client has already made clear, she does not know Judge Kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford," the letter from Howard Walsh, Keyser's attorney, said. It continued that Keyser "does not refute Dr. Ford's account, and she has already told the press that she believes Dr. Ford's account." (quote from CBS News)

            You can get as semantical as you want to, the witnesses didnt say what he said they did. None of the witnesses exonerated him as he implied, all they did was say they dont remember. All of them were smarter than he was because none of them spoke in absolutes in case they were wrong. (or have to change their story later) Sure if this was a trial it wouldnt be enough to convict him but none of us are saying otherwise. He is the one touting it like it is the smoking gun proving his innocence. It does nothing of the kind.

            I don't "conveniently leave out" part of Keyser's statement. Her statement through her lawyer was as I described at the time of the hearing. She amended her statement after the hearing. That's why your quote, which I believe is from Oct. 1st, says "as my client already."

            And you're right, it's quite a lot of semantics. As Kavanaugh is accused by an uncorroborated allegation that is very, very lacking in specifics that can be assailed, it seems fair to me that he is given a wide road in mounting a defense to the allegation, and the benefit of the doubt in semantical questions. For example the statement "the drinking age was 18" was shouted about. "He lied! It wasn't 18 in MD after July 1, 1982! Perjury!!" But allowing for a slightly broader meaning and context, that statement is true.

            Some may disagree that Kavanaugh should be given latitude in his statements, but I don't. Suppose I went to the school at which you teach, and tell them that you and two other people, one named Josh, assaulted me on a street in Minneapolis. I can't be sure exactly where or when, but in the downtown area probably about 7 years ago. I only remember specifically there being a blue Ford parked by a dumpster and that one of the streetlights was out. But nevertheless, I'm 100% certain it was you that actually assaulted me. Now I'm a person of excellent character and can produce many, many people who would attest that they believe me and I would never falsely accused anyone, even a gopher fan, no matter how much I despise them. I don't want to press charges but I certainly don't think you are the kind of person that should be teaching, and I felt it was my duty to come forward. We locate a friend of yours named Josh who says that he doesn't remember it, he used to drink quite a bit, never saw you assault anyone ever, and doesn't believe you ever would. 200 other people, mostly gopher fans but a few Cloudies, vouch for your character.

            This is essentially the situation, and I do think you should be given quite a lot of leeway in your defense. You should be able to state things like, "Wisko, may be known as a fine person to his friends, but his friends are all disgusting Badger fans. He says Josh was there, but Josh says he never saw me do anything of the sort, nor would I. Wisko can't even say where or when this happened. Now I don't doubt Wisko was assaulted sometime or somewhere, but it wasn't me. It was probably burd. Wisko's story is complete BS, just look at my record of rescuing puppies, for crying out loud."
            Originally posted by WiscTJK
            I'm with Wisko and Tim.
            Originally posted by Timothy A
            Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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            • #651
              Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

              Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
              Not to mince words, but couldn't there only be three witnesses per Dr. Ford's account: Kavanaugh, Judge, and herself. Anyone beyond would be offering corroborating hearsay, wouldn't they?
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              • #652
                Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                Starting to see all the same signs I saw after the Billy Bush video. I do not have a good feeling about this nomination or the midterms anymore.

                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...h-ford/572023/
                Funny you should mention that. I'm seeing a well coordinated effort in many a news outlet saying that somehow this Kavanaugh situation has inspired a boomlet of GOP support. We'll find out soon enough but I've never been in the camp that thinks Trump Humpers won't support Trump backed candidates (with the possible exception of Calgary Ted). The issue is do Dems turn out at Obama running for Prez type levels or do they revert back to sitting out elections? Republicans will vote. They always do. The question is do people who aren't in the cult vote as well.
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                • #653
                  Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                  Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                  Not to mince words, but couldn't there only be three witnesses per Dr. Ford's account: Kavanaugh, Judge, and herself. Anyone beyond would be offering corroborating hearsay, wouldn't they?
                  They can offer their experiences involving other events, establishing a pattern of disturbing behavior. The Hang-Out-Wang-Out behavior that might be a little wild for a drunken freshman at SCSU who's not on track to graduate, but it's a disturbing discovery of pattern for a man who paints himself as ready for the SCOTUS and eventual Catholic beatification.
                  "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

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                  • #654
                    Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Starting to see all the same signs I saw after the Billy Bush video. I do not have a good feeling about this nomination or the midterms anymore.

                    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...h-ford/572023/
                    The nomination I dont know, the rest is just the usual press looking for proof things arent what they seem. The House is flipping for sure and the worst you can say about the Senate is it is back to the same odds as it was a month ago.

                    These articles popping up now are the same as the ones 3 weeks ago the other way. This enthusiasm gap bs because those types of indicators can change day to day and street to street. (and of course issue to issue) Guess what will happen on Monday if the Atlantic goes and talks to a bunch of liberal organizers after he gets confirmed...they will hear the same ****ed thing. They wont of course (because that is the answer everyone expects) but that is neither here nor there.

                    The Press is going to have a month of "sky is falling" for both sides for the next month. Trusting any of it is a fools errand.
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                    • #655
                      Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                      Originally posted by Rover View Post
                      Funny you should mention that. I'm seeing a well coordinated effort in many a news outlet saying that somehow this Kavanaugh situation has inspired a boomlet of GOP support. We'll find out soon enough but I've never been in the camp that thinks Trump Humpers won't support Trump backed candidates (with the possible exception of Calgary Ted). The issue is do Dems turn out at Obama running for Prez type levels or do they revert back to sitting out elections? Republicans will vote. They always do. The question is do people who aren't in the cult vote as well.
                      Exactly. The Press is acting like these Republican Voters werent voting before...they always were. (and most polls were even saying that) The difference is that the Dems who didnt vote last election were trending towards voting this time.
                      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                      -aparch

                      "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                      -INCH

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                      • #656
                        Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        The nomination I dont know, the rest is just the usual press looking for proof things arent what they seem. The House is flipping for sure and the worst you can say about the Senate is it is back to the same odds as it was a month ago.

                        These articles popping up now are the same as the ones 3 weeks ago the other way. This enthusiasm gap bs because those types of indicators can change day to day and street to street. (and of course issue to issue) Guess what will happen on Monday if the Atlantic goes and talks to a bunch of liberal organizers after he gets confirmed...they will hear the same ****ed thing. They wont of course (because that is the answer everyone expects) but that is neither here nor there.

                        The Press is going to have a month of "sky is falling" for both sides for the next month. Trusting any of it is a fools errand.
                        Yes and no. I can sense it. I see it with the people I talk to. Especially the people I know who are Trumpers. It's not just the press. And a month ago I did believe that the Dems had it going. But, the Kavanaugh thing has changed things. Everyone was glued to the TVs during that hearing last week and it fired up the Republican base. Mitch will get him through, he thinks it's his legacy to get the Court with a full anti-gay anti-abortion majority before he loses his leadership position.

                        Things can change. But, this is just like the Billy Bush video. Dems "thought" it helped them and it boomeranged.

                        North Dakota appears to be a loss for sure.
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                        • #657
                          Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                          This is a little off the path here, but it's something that I'm curious about. I didn't get to watch the testimony live, so I've only seen news clips of it. I was wondering if this came up at all.

                          It has to do with the captions in the yearbook that referred to Renate alumni and FFFF, etc...

                          I don't have any of my high school yearbooks around (fortunately), but as I recall we had our fair share of juvenile or "insider" quotes/captions under many of the photos. But at my school, people who were depicted in the photos didn't actually write the captions. There was a yearbook staff made up of a few kids from each class. They were in charge of taking and assembling the photo montages, making sure their were pictures of the various clubs and sports teams, writing the "clever" captions, etc...

                          When we got our yearbooks and opened them up to read them, one of things I recall is wondering what stupid things might be written about me or the group that I was in as depicted in that particular photo.

                          I had pretty much no input at all as to what was included in our yearbook, other than providing a photo and filling out a sheet that listed clubs, athletic teams etc..., that I participated in.

                          I don't know, maybe my school was different.
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                          • #658
                            Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            They can offer their experiences involving other events, establishing a pattern of disturbing behavior. The Hang-Out-Wang-Out behavior that might be a little wild for a drunken freshman at SCSU who's not on track to graduate, but it's a disturbing discovery of pattern for a man who paints himself as ready for the SCOTUS and eventual Catholic beatification.
                            You would think so...especially coming from the Party that impeached a President for consensual relations and lying about it.

                            But hey the Conservaderps have destroyed two branches with their crap already...might as well go for 3 and just end the charade.
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                            -aparch

                            "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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                            • #659
                              Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              I had pretty much no input at all as to what was included in our yearbook, other than providing a photo and filling out a sheet that listed clubs, athletic teams etc..., that I participated in.

                              I don't know, maybe my school was different.
                              There were two sections of my school's yearbook. There was the events, teams, and clubs section, along with some random shots of students doing various things throughout the school year, and then there were the individual photos divided by year and then alphabetically. The yearbook group had total control over the first section, but seniors were able to add a personal quip to their individual pictures. I don't remember my quip, nor what it even references when if I were to read it now.
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                              • #660
                                Re: SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

                                Senator Grassley already saying there is no hint of misconduct in the latest report. Sounds like a done deal.
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