SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

[unofan]

Not necessarily. One could be a drunk, an a*hole, a racist, etc, but there may be a line that that person DOESN'T cross, you know? Look at some lifers in prison. They've murdered, they've raped, they've robbed, but put a pedophile in their company? That pedo is gonna be whupped. Doesn't mean the lifer is a good person, it just means that that is a line that they won't cross.

Because liars about small things are truthful about the big things? That's not how that works, generally speaking.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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So are we now to believe that his classmates at Yale are part of the left wing conspiracy?

Obviously...I mean, his name IS Chad.....

I bet his incel fans love that.

[rufus]

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And the reason he's lying about not being a big drinker, is that, the bigger, sloppier drunk he is, the more probable that he could have assaulted someone and have no memory of it the next day.

His whole defense is, I never assaulted anyone, and my memory is perfectly clear about everything in my past.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I did once. Scared the shiat out of me. Never let it happen again. Didn't pass out, crawled into bed like any other night. Just couldn't remember a freaking thing after a certain point in the night.

You know it when you've done it, and other people know it when it happens to a friend.

So in your whole life it's happened once. Yet you don't really believe someone like me when I say it's happened to me one time less than that?

Do you know when it's happening or has happened to a friend when you yourself are very intoxicated? I believe that is what K's classmate says, that he drank heavily with K and got smashed. Sure, perhaps if you have to literally carry them home with their eyes rolled back in their head and tongue lolling out, I get you might accurately make that assessment of someone else. Nobody has said that kind of thing about K to my knowledge. I don't believe stumbling or even slurring some words means that person automatically won't remember what happened. No doubt I've been in that condition on many an occasion as a youngster, but I'm not lying when I say I've never had the experience of not remembering. I tended bar to get through college and have seen thousands of drunks. Some, astonishingly, remember everything quite clearly the next day, some just don't. I disagree with your premise that someone else can make that definitive assessment of someone else's experience so easily.

[burd]

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If he did what she said he did, he's done, I think everyone except Mitch will agree.

If he lied about his drinking habits, he's done because he cannot be trusted. And for the additional reason that we can probably safely conclude he committed the act and lied about that too.

Personally, the unhinged guy I saw Thursday should not be sitting on the SC in any event. I can see why his classmates are coming out with statements that contradict his testimony.

[unofan]

So in your whole life it's happened once. Yet you don't really believe someone like me when I say it's happened to me one time less than that?

Do you know when it's happening or has happened to a friend when you yourself are very intoxicated? I believe that is what K's classmate says, that he drank heavily with K and got smashed. Sure, perhaps if you have to literally carry them home with their eyes rolled back in their head and tongue lolling out, I get you might accurately make that assessment of someone else. Nobody has said that kind of thing about K to my knowledge. I don't believe stumbling or even slurring some words means that person automatically won't remember what happened. No doubt I've been in that condition on many an occasion as a youngster, but I'm not lying when I say I've never had the experience of not remembering. I tended bar to get through college and have seen thousands of drunks. Some, astonishingly, remember everything quite clearly the next day, some just don't. I disagree with your premise that someone else can make that definitive assessment of someone else's experience so easily.

Blacking out != passing out. There are telltale signs when someone crosses the threshold even when they're not aware of it themselves at the time. I can tell you several college friends who blacked out a lot.

Kavanaugh's classmates have stated he lied when he said he never blacked out. I believe them.

And I never said you've blacked out. I'm saying Kavanaugh did based on the evidence presented.

[The Rube]

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If he did what she said he did, he's done, I think everyone except Mitch will agree.

If he lied about his drinking habits, he's done because he cannot be trusted. And for the additional reason that we can probably safely conclude he committed the act and lied about that too.

Personally, the unhinged guy I saw Thursday should not be sitting on the SC in any event. I can see why his classmates are coming out with statements that contradict his testimony.

This is the part that bugs me. Just because he may have lied about one thing, doesn't make it true that he is lying about the other.

[unofan]

This is the part that bugs me. Just because he may have lied about one thing, doesn't make it true that he is lying about the other.

But it makes it a helluva lot more likely he is.

Do you have to independently assess everything trump says, or do you just assume everything he says is a lie at this point like his track record shows?

[trixR4kids]

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This is the part that bugs me. Just because he may have lied about one thing, doesn't make it true that he is lying about the other.

Lying about anything under oath disqualifies you from this position. Period.

[The Rube]

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Lying about anything under oath disqualifies you from this position. Period.

I covered that part earlier. I am concentrating on only the assault allegation. Whether he's qualified to serve as SCOTUS is another matter (and I don't believe he is).

[First Time, Long Time]

This is the part that bugs me. Just because he may have lied about one thing, doesn't make it true that he is lying about the other.

I think for a lot of people it's the things we know or suspect he has lied about that has people questioning others.
Lying about boofing or devil's triangle is small and fairly easy to verify...why lie about it?
Drinking to blacking out? Can be verified by your friends...again why lie about it?
That's the thing...if you are willing to lie about small things and be so adamant about it...it isn't a stretch to buy that you are lying about the much bigger issue.

[The Rube]

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I think for a lot of people it's the things we know or suspect he has lied about that has people questioning others.
Lying about boofing or devil's triangle is small and fairly easy to verify...why lie about it?
Drinking to blacking out? Can be verified by your friends...again why lie about it?
That's the thing...if you are willing to lie about small things and be so adamant about it...it isn't a stretch to buy that you are lying about the much bigger issue.

On the flipside, white lies about the small things that don't really harm anyone but oneself is one thing. Lying about a big thing that does harm others is another.

I know this is a few posts back, so in case anyone missed it...I am not saying Kav DIDN'T do it, but as of this moment, I cannot say he DID do it, either.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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If he's that kind of drinker wouldn't that have been a red flag in the six prior FBI background checks?

You would be amazed at how long HFAs can get away with heavy drinking. No DUIs, no "drunk and disorderlies", no bar fights.

[The Rube]

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You would be amazed at how long HFAs can get away with heavy drinking. No DUIs, no "drunk and disorderlies", no bar fights.

This.

[First Time, Long Time]

On the flipside, white lies about the small things that don't really harm anyone but oneself is one thing. Lying about a big thing that does harm others is another.

I know this is a few posts back, so in case anyone missed it...I am not saying Kav DIDN'T do it, but as of this moment, I cannot say he DID do it, either.

I don't know if anyone can say for sure he did it...but his answers reasonably push it in that direction. And considering this isn't a trial...i think that's enough.
His behavior (especially the way he attacked senators...Klobuchar big time...) should be disqualifying.