POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

[mookie1995]

That's only Judges.

So dems wanted the tax cut?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

So dems wanted the tax cut?

THat's a different rule. That was passed under reconcilliation rules which the Dems agreed to at some point. It wasn't new legislation.

Here:

The tax reform bill they are pushing through the Senate will live and die by a complicated rule — known as the “Byrd Rule,” a condition of the “budget reconciliation” process that allows Republicans to pass legislation with only 51 votes in the Senate. Because of how they set it up, Republicans’ tax bill can only increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion in the first 10 years, with no increase outside that window.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...form-byrd-rule

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

This. So much this. So ****ing tired of hearing about "Far Left". The right can take the Far Left and shove it straight up their candy ***.

Our right has become so extreme they’re looking like some middle eastern nations.

Anything that isn’t pandering to the rich here is screamed at as extreme left.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Our right has become so extreme they’re looking like some middle eastern nations.

Anything that isn’t pandering to the rich here is screamed at as extreme left.

Yes. And Hoven's Center is so far right that it didn't even exist 40 years ago.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Yes. And Hoven's Center is so far right that it didn't even exist 40 years ago.

But I bet every other industrialized nation has it wrong. They’re all wrong. Our financial, educational and health deficits are just coincidence

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

But I bet every other industrialized nation has it wrong. They’re all wrong. Our financial, educational and health deficits are just coincidence

They're all wrong. We're the only way.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Just hours after the White House banned a CNN reporter from attending a press event with President Donald Trump, adviser Kellyanne Conway on Thursday berated the news media, claiming that "shouting" and "pouting" reporters should show more "civility" and "respect" toward the administration.
When asked Thursday why Kaitlan Collins had been booted from a Rose Garden event a day earlier after she peppered the president with questions on Russia and Michael Cohen, Conway, counselor to Trump, responded that unruly reporters were to blame for the incident.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

Yep. It's the ****ing media's fault. Fox News, Breitbart, and Alex Jones are the only one that do anything right.

[aparch]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

It's political tug-o-war, only the GOP never stopped pulling after dragging the Dems well across the line.

And the centrists point to the flag on the middle of the rope complaining that Dems hands aren't close enough to the flag for their liking.

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

It's political tug-o-war, only the GOP never stopped pulling after dragging the Dems well across the line.

And the centrists point to the flag on the middle of the rope complaining that Dems hands aren't close enough to the flag for their liking.

I think its more that the GOP decided to vote in every election, whereas the Dems did not. Its a good point that people have brought up. As the country has moved left (gay rights, tax hikes on the rich, environment, Medicare/Medicaid expansion, etc) the gubmint has moved right. That's because the right votes.

I saw this happen in Boston over the past 30 years. Long, long after they should have given up the ghost, older white conservatives (the Good Will Hunting crowd) held most of the levers of power in the city. This was due to two reasons - 1) the less of them they were, the more homogenous they became so it was easy to appeal to them, and 2) they were by far the most reliable voters as city elections take place in odd # years for whatever reason. Eventually the dam broke and they went down hard, but the lesson learned from progressive activists was if you don't show up on election day, little else matters.

[unofan]

Or the Dems message is so far left that they lose Senate seats and fail to move the needle in the House.

Your concern is noted and given the appropriate weight. As in none.

[Slap Shot]

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Who knew that healthcare....

Trump says of his new association health plans: "I hear it's like record business that they're doing...we just opened about two months ago, and I'm hearing that the numbers are incredible."

The new plans can't be sold until September 1.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 26, 2018

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.38: Truth! Justice! And the American Way!!

Who knew that healthcare....

Trump says of his new association health plans: "I hear it's like record business that they're doing...we just opened about two months ago, and I'm hearing that the numbers are incredible."

The new plans can't be sold until September 1.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 26, 2018

Meanwhile those in the middle class like me will have yet another 10-20% increase for next year. Thanks, ****tard Trump.

[rufus]

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I think its more that the GOP decided to vote in every election, whereas the Dems did not. Its a good point that people have brought up. As the country has moved left (gay rights, tax hikes on the rich, environment, Medicare/Medicaid expansion, etc) the gubmint has moved right. That's because the right votes.

I saw this happen in Boston over the past 30 years. Long, long after they should have given up the ghost, older white conservatives (the Good Will Hunting crowd) held most of the levers of power in the city. This was due to two reasons - 1) the less of them they were, the more homogenous they became so it was easy to appeal to them, and 2) they were by far the most reliable voters as city elections take place in odd # years for whatever reason. Eventually the dam broke and they went down hard, but the lesson learned from progressive activists was if you don't show up on election day, little else matters.

Or, certain Right voters also want this stuff, but are so blinded by their ideology, or ignorant, it keeps them from voting in their own self-interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxrP-pL3gRM

[joecct]

I think its more that the GOP decided to vote in every election, whereas the Dems did not. Its a good point that people have brought up. As the country has moved left (gay rights, tax hikes on the rich, environment, Medicare/Medicaid expansion, etc) the gubmint has moved right. That's because the right votes.

I saw this happen in Boston over the past 30 years. Long, long after they should have given up the ghost, older white conservatives (the Good Will Hunting crowd) held most of the levers of power in the city. This was due to two reasons - 1) the less of them they were, the more homogenous they became so it was easy to appeal to them, and 2) they were by far the most reliable voters as city elections take place in odd # years for whatever reason. Eventually the dam broke and they went down hard, but the lesson learned from progressive activists was if you don't show up on election day, little else matters.

Given the makeup of the City Council, weren't (aren't) most of those councilors dyed in the wool liberals?

If your trying to portray that bloc as GOP, it has (did) not reflect in the results.

[trixR4kids]

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The right votes but they also did a better job in 2016 of finding the people who typically don't vote and got them engaged as well. Steve Bannon for instance made it a priority to target the gamers who were angry about the whole gamergate controversy as they tend to have authoritarian leanings and a lot of them are anti-semitic (I definitely know this from experience). They also got the incels and various other alt-right internet dwellers that hate women. Those people almost certainly don't vote in normal elections but Bannon and the other strategists did a better job of having Trump pander to those voters and in such a close election where every vote mattered, getting people who don't normally turn out was huge.

Obviously we know that some voters probably flipped from D to R in certain districts (I highly doubt it was 6-9 million as was mentioned in another thread) because they were ****ed about the status quo and didn't want another establishment candidate but I do think that it's good evidence of why you want to try and get the vote of those who don't normally.