NHL 2018: When the AI GM is smarter than actual GMs...

[hockeyplayer1015]

Yeah.

The other difference is probably the salary cap. Are a Fleury or a Neal available and/or unprotected if there's no cap like 1991-2000?

Gotcha.

That's also a great point re: salary cap. Additionally, say they added 2 protected slots last year. How many players Vegas DID choose, aren't available in that scenario? I'm not sure that it would change a bunch. Maybe there aren't as many side deals (GM's essentially paying for an extra slot or 2). /shrug.

[bronconick]

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Did they additionally have exempt players from the 90's (1st/2nd year pros, for example)? Honest question.

Yeah.

The other difference is probably the salary cap. Are a Fleury or a Neal available and/or unprotected if there's no cap like 1991-2000?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The 90's expansions allowed teams to protect 12-16 players, depending on protecting on one goalie or two. 2017 was 9-10.

I think that’s a pretty decent difference

[hockeyplayer1015]

The 90's expansions allowed teams to protect 12-16 players, depending on protecting on one goalie or two. 2017 was 9-10.

Did they additionally have exempt players from the 90's (1st/2nd year pros, for example)? Honest question.

[bronconick]

Re: NHL 2018: When the AI GM is smarter than actual GMs...

I saw a quote today that I think was a fair statement- that Vegas was given more of a leg up than any other expansion team in any other sport.
Combine that with some GMs making dumb moves, MAF, and a few guys having career seasons, well, here we are.

The 90's expansions allowed teams to protect 12-16 players, depending on protecting on one goalie or two. 2017 was 9-10.

[hockeyplayer1015]

The pool was better because they reduced how many players could be protected and there was only 1 franchise choosing from said pool.

And just about everybody from that player pool that they selected, had essentially a career year.

Karlsson had 9 goals last year. Schmidt more than doubled his point production. Go up and down that lineup, virtually everybody vastly outperformed their previous seasons. Fleury did as he mostly has, same with Neal, but most of the rest played well above an expected level.

Yes, they had some favorable rules in place, but show me anybody with an opinion worth a **** saying Vegas was going to be playing in May from last September. I'll wait.

[aparch]

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... it's about the available player pool afforded to Vegas that no other franchise before them had. ...

A bunch of scrub third/fourth line guys that teams were more than willing to offload and anchor contracts teams were hoping to dump?

[Slap Shot]

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I'm pretty sure anybody mad at Vegas can go suck it.

It's not anger at the franchise necessarily it's Bettman. Vegas played the game well but I I'm not going to be awed nor happy about it.

Well, the player pool today is significantly better than any other expansion team had available to them, too.

The pool was better because they reduced how many players could be protected and there was only 1 franchise choosing from said pool.

[Jimjamesak]

A lot of GMs just got brutally embarrassed. I'm looking at you, Garth Snow.

Thus the title.

[Jimjamesak]

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[Kepler]

Re: NHL 2018: When the AI GM is smarter than actual GMs...

I'm pretty sure anybody mad at Vegas can go suck it.

[hockeyplayer1015]

It's not about the Wild being "outsmarted" it's about the available player pool afforded to Vegas that no other franchise before them had. Good on them for taking advantage, but Bettman can still kiss my arse for allowing it to happen.

Well, the player pool today is significantly better than any other expansion team had available to them, too.

To compare, realistically, it seems you believe LV should only have had access to AHL roster players.

It's been said, but HARDLY ANYBODY COMPLAINED A YEAR AGO. Hindsight is 20/20, and only now is it a big deal because they are having early success.

[Twitch Boy]

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The Heist - Vegas style

@reporterchris: Reminder: The #VGK were given a 2nd-round pick to take Marc-Andre Fleury, Jonathan Marchessault to take Reilly Smith, Alex Tuch to take Erik Haula, Shea Theodore to take Clayton Stoner and a 1st and 2nd to take William Karlsson and David Clarkson’s contract.

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[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

It's not about the Wild being "outsmarted" it's about the available player pool afforded to Vegas that no other franchise before them had. Good on them for taking advantage, but Bettman can still kiss my arse for allowing it to happen.

I saw a quote today that I think was a fair statement- that Vegas was given more of a leg up than any other expansion team in any other sport.
Combine that with some GMs making dumb moves, MAF, and a few guys having career seasons, well, here we are.

[Slap Shot]

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Exactly. Anyone saying that Vegas was "handed" their team by the NHL obviously doesn't understand what actually happened. Especially those Wild fans here who seem to think that Tuch and Haula were stolen by Vegas when George McPhee held Chuck Fletcher's dog at gunpoint.

It's not about the Wild being "outsmarted" it's about the available player pool afforded to Vegas that no other franchise before them had. Good on them for taking advantage, but Bettman can still kiss my arse for allowing it to happen.