POTUS 45.23 - Wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross

[Kepler]

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Its like, why did it take 40 years for Harvey Weinstein to be exposed, even though people had long known about him? He was in a position of power.

Oh, I get the silence on Weinstein: he was powerful enough to be able to wreck careers. The f-ck was Roy Moore going to do? The guy is less imposing than your average internet troll. The entire national GOP wanted to take him down and those guys do not play by the Marquess of Queensberry's rules, and Strange had a well-financed campaign which includes oppo research.

My leading theory is Strange has something just as bad. Maybe underage boys.

[burd]

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I do not think we have to wait for demographics. The middle class seems to have figured out in a contest between the smart and the stupid they have to side against the stupid for self-preservation. In 2016 they took a flier on the stupid because the smart surely have been suboptimal, but Business As Usual looks Lincolnesque compared to the sh-tshow we have now.

There's a reason there are admissions requirements for most important jobs. You don't choose your doctor as someone you'd like to have a beer with, and you don't deliberately choose a quack to spite the other doctors. Hopefully 2018 will continue the dethroning of the stupid. They're simply too dangerous to sit at the adult table.

I hope you are right. I'm just skeptical about the effect logic will have. I'm afraid it turns on "whose logic" more than it does on "what logic," if that makes any sense.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I dunno...I mean this is hilariously stupid. And you know part of it is they hope that if they keep it going it will somehow delegitimize the Mueller investigation. Wasting resource because their Emperor King is so stupid he is getting caught screwing up Politics 101 crap. Meanwhile their Tax Plan is a Zeppelin that just sparked on fire because it blows a hole in the deficit and raises takes on a 1/2 of the middle class. So not only are they wasting time and money but they arent going to be able to pay for it anyways. Party of fiscal responsibility indeed.

The funny thing is, since the 1990s they have spent ungodly amounts of time and money investigating them, had hearings, special prosecutors and even had Wikileaks use emails hacked by the Russians to try and find enough dirt to lock her up. Never even got close. Even in the glory days of the Mafia they werent that lucky. Meanwhile their Thief in Chief is so stupid we knew half the stuff he was trying to pull days after the inauguration and already multiple members of his administration have been indicted.

When I heard the news about Jr yesterday, first thing that popped into my head was Fredo saying “IM SMART”

[Kepler]

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there's plenty of Russian bots still out there to sow discord

Which is why you should shut up about the Bernie 2020 model and I will shut up about the Hillary 2020 model.

Eyes on the prize, kid. We're just one big happy f-cking family, at least until the GOP goes home in a body bag.

[Kepler]

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When I heard the news about Jr yesterday, first thing that popped into my head was Fredo saying “IM SMART”

LOL. I think I just hurt myself.

The Dumps are an entire family of Fredos, except for Eric as Buffalo Bill.

[alfablue]

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Oh, I get the silence on Weinstein: he was powerful enough to be able to wreck careers. The f-ck was Roy Moore going to do? The guy is less imposing than your average internet troll. The entire national GOP wanted to take him down and those guys do not play by the Marquess of Queensberry's rules, and Strange had a well-financed campaign which includes oppo research.

My leading theory is Strange has something just as bad. Maybe underage boys.

Except to young women, who know he was the DA in town. When when he said "who are they going to believe"- they bought it. What he could do is crucify them in the court directly if they went after him. Or at least pretend that he could.

And on that pretend note- he's as big of a bully as Weinstien and Sandusky.

[bronconick]

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LOL. I think I just hurt myself.

The Dumps are an entire family of Fredos, except for Eric as Buffalo Bill.

Tiffany is the smart one.

[The Sicatoka]

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This is amazing. Dump was for Strange and he certainly would have strafed him with it.

It looks like that party isn't only incompetent at governance. They're generally inept.

It's politics.
It's the South.
It's the guy in power.
It seems all too common.
No matter the side of the aisle.

We've seen the pattern before with a Southern governor who walked away unscathed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...crimes/545729/

I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.

The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history and there are consequences for that. Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged. If Weinstein and Mark Halperin and Louis C.K. and all the rest can be held accountable, so can our former president and so can his party, which so many Americans so desperately need to rise again.

Roy Moore's political career deserves to become Ol' Roy; however, we've seen the pattern of escape happen for politicians in the South.

[Kepler]

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I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.

If you're surprised maybe you should read more of The Atlantic, New Republic, Slate, etc.

One of things about the smarties -- they constantly rake themselves over the coals of analysis. The left and the right treat this very differently, because on the right the great virtue is "strength" while on the left it is "truth." Both terms deserve their bunny ears.

The soul of the right is marketing -- make up your mind then push, bluster, and bluff it out. The soul of the left is academia -- always double back, always doubt, never take anything as given. We don't just analyze ourselves, we over-over-over-over-analyze ourselves.

Many of the silly misconceptions the right holds about the left stem from their inability to see this basic difference in orientation. It makes you guys see phantoms and conspiracies everywhere. It also, happily, makes you miss some of our weaknesses. It's a combination of both over- and under-estimating us.

No doubt we have the same blindness the other way.

[Kepler]

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It seems all too common.

This may be the heart of it. Start casting those stones and there won't be a house left standing. Mix in the creepy Old Testament misogyny and general sexual perversity of the South, and the sexual predator register may be the phone book.

[Kepler]

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Out him under oath, please.

[SJHovey]

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It's politics.
It's the South.
It's the guy in power.
It seems all too common.
No matter the side of the aisle.

We've seen the pattern before with a Southern governor who walked away unscathed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...crimes/545729/

I'm surprised "The Atlantic" sees (their words) a "reckoning" for him at this point.



Roy Moore's political career deserves to become Ol' Roy; however, we've seen the pattern of escape happen for politicians in the South.

I suspect it's hard for many of us in the northern states, and especially outside a place like NYC, to understand what southern political races are like. I have to believe that allegations of corruption, sleazy personal behavior and the like is the norm rather than an exception. Allegations that would, in a place like Des Moines, IA, cause the candidate to immediately withdraw and be replaced, are instead contested with the "it wasn't me" defense down south.

I suspect the reason candidates like Moore persist is, a) they have personally prevailed, or seen other candidates prevail, despite such allegations, b) allegation fatigue caused by all contests containing some sort of corruption or sleaziness charge, and c) knowing that you will receive the support of your base even if they believe your accusers, simply because they still like you or like you more than the other candidate.

It's certainly a unique area of the country, and always has been.

[burd]

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My likely son-in-law grew up in Montgomery and moved to Atlanta in his early 20s, where he met my daughter. He and his family are blue collar all the way, and although he is an outspoken advocate of LGBT rights and is clearly not racist, he is not as liberal as D. He sometimes expresses frustration/regret that northerners do not understand much of what is good about the South, given their assumptions. If you want to select one racist shythole, Montgomery has to be high on the leaderboard. I haven't discussed Moore with him but am looking forward to that discussion. He's too young to have personal memories of the guy's DA past, but he will know the context and understand the cultural dynamics.

They chose to live in Vancouver, so I guess that says something about the culture they were looking for.

[Kepler]

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He sometimes expresses frustration/regret that northerners do not understand much of what is good about the South, given their assumptions.

Having lived in NC and VA (and rural MD which might as well be the South), and also among people from the Deep South, I completely agree with this. There are wonderful things about the South.

The trick is to somehow extract the virulence without losing the kindness. That great line from the Bessie Smith movie always sums it up for me perfectly:

"In the South we don't care how close you get as long and you don't get too big. In the North they don't care how big you get as long and you don't get too close."

[MaizeRage]

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It doesn't seem like people in the South have a problem with getting too big: https://health.usnews.com/wellness/h...tes-in-america