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  • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post

    This track took considerable time to design and build. One assume those responsible consulted with the sports federations, the IOC and others who have designed and built courses. After construction and before the games countless inspections, measurements and test runs were conducted. There were literally tens of thousands of opportunities to discover a fatal flaw in the track, yet none was. This track isn't a carnival ride, put up tonight in time for the opening of the fair tomorrow.
    Then why watching the video is it blatantly obvious to anyone with any sort of engineering background (yes, I actually have one) that the end of the track with the steel poles running down it has to have been designed by the certifiably insane?

    You don't even need an engineering background. Anyone with a lick of common sense could see it.
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    • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Then why watching the video is it blatantly obvious to anyone with any sort of engineering background (yes, I actually have one) that the end of the track with the steel poles running down it has to have been designed by the certifiably insane?

      You don't even need an engineering background. Anyone with a lick of common sense could see it.
      They showed the video on the broadcast tonight, the first time I'd seen it, and yes, as an engineer it was painfully obvious to me. All they had to do was put up plexiglass like at a hockey rink and the kid would have survived.
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      • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Then why watching the video is it blatantly obvious to anyone with any sort of engineering background (yes, I actually have one) that the end of the track with the steel poles running down it has to have been designed by the certifiably insane?

        You don't even need an engineering background. Anyone with a lick of common sense could see it.
        Okay, so why didn't the actual engineers who actually designed and built the thing, or the various officials who oversaw its contruction, or all of the other people involved who have ridden this track over the past two years not see it? Didn't even one of them have "common sense?"
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        • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

          Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
          Okay, so why didn't the actual engineers who actually designed and built the thing, or the various officials who oversaw its contruction, or all of the other people involved not see it? Didn't even one of them have "common sense?"
          I think that is the big question, why didn't they see this?
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          • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            You're getting safe confused with responsible. And there's an ocean of difference between those two. Luge tracks are not safe. this one was not safe and not responsible
            I think this is the main point that must be taken from all of this. No one doubts the inherent danger associated with a sport in which a human rides a sled at speeds approaching 100 mph, but with that said that ignores things that can be controlled, such as a series of steel beams at the very edge of the track immediately following a turn where instability on a track is most common. Were there no beams he surely would have been injured, but would the severity have been remotely similar had they not been there? You can't argue this is an "hindsight" approach to analyzing the track when competitors the night before are speaking about their life being on the line, a comment that would not have been made if this kind of a danger zone were commonplace in luge events on their world circuit.

            To wit:

            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...12/luge.death/

            After a luger went a record 95.65 mph at a test event on the course last year, Josef Fendt, president of the International Luge Federation, expressed concerns that the track was too fast. "It makes me worry." Kumaritashvili's crash confirms those fears.

            "It's not necessary to do the sport of luge at [96 mph]," says Christoph Schweiger, secretary general of the Austrian luge federation, who was at the course when Kumaritashvili's accident occurred. "To do the sport [in the 80-85 mph range] is fast enough."

            A member of the U.S. Luge Association told SI that he had been informed privately by Olympic organizers that the sliding course was not meant to be so fast.

            One U.S. slider says that some blame should be placed with Canadian Olympic organizers for not granting international athletes more access to the course before the Games. The Vancouver Organizing Committee did add extra training time for the sliding course because of its difficulty, but U.S. athletes told SI that they had had only around 40 practice runs, while the Canadians had hundreds. "The selfishness of the Canadian sliding federations just killed somebody," the athlete says. "We all know about keeping countries off the track [strategically], but at the world championships in Lake Placid [last year] they knew the course was difficult, so the track manager left the course open. We didn't always like that, but no one got hurt."
            I'm sorry, but this screams negligence and poor handling.
            Last edited by Slap Shot; 02-12-2010, 07:38 PM.

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            • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

              Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
              Yes the IOC gives the media sites the license to broadcast their events and some of those clips that were posted were news stories. If a youtube poster posts a video of a news story isn't that video now the property of the media source and not the IOC?
              No. The NFL giving ESPN rights to broadcast their sporting event doesn't mean ESPN then has rights to sell said footage of that game to the Playboy network.

              Put another way, it's the same reason why Martin Luther King Jr.'s estate still owns the rights to his "I have a dream" speech, and not the various networks that covered it.
              Last edited by unofan; 02-12-2010, 07:38 PM.

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              • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                This Ohno interview reminds me of Team Speed Skating. Organized chaos with crashes all over the place. So entertaining.
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                • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  this one was not safe and not responsible
                  That's your opinion, which is probably tainted by the proximity to the moment. There's no indication a court of law would necessarily find the same way, especially two years from now when it's not in the immediate forefront of everyone's mind.

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                  • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                    Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    That's your opinion, which is probably tainted by the proximity to the moment. There's no indication a court of law would necessarily find the same way, especially two years from now when it's not in the immediate forefront of everyone's mind.
                    You might want to read Slap Shot's post below.
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                    • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                      Seriously, I defer to all of you with engineering and legal backgrounds. All I'm suggesting here is that we wait a moment and gather the facts before we go charging off with the torches and rope.

                      When you look at the Titanic disaster, reasonable people would ask: why didn't the Titanic slow down or alter course more radically than she did, why were the Board of Trade regulations on the number of lifeboats required so inadequate, why wasn't it standard practice for wireless sets to be manned 24/7? And the answer is: because the Titanic hadn't happened yet.

                      The same is true for any of our shocking tragedies: 9/11, Pearl Harbor, the Challenger, JFK's death and now, the loss of this boy's life. It all seems so clear after the fact.

                      edit: reading the SI piece posted by slap shot makes me wonder if this was one of those inertia deals, where everybody assumed somebody else would take care of the problem.
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                      • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                        Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                        edit: reading the SI piece posted by slap shot makes me wonder if this was one of those inertia deals, where everybody assumed somebody else would take care of the problem.
                        No such thing. If one person believed this was a serious danger then that person should have waved a red flag. Obviously they were going to use this track so nobody decided it was worth risking themselves over this.

                        Its only one of those inertia deals in that nobody thought it was worth their career.
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                        • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                          Maybe I was too reactionary to the video. I don't know. My reaction basically went like this:

                          1. Oh, my God.
                          2. What the hell are those steel posts doing there?
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                          • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                            How the hell do you manage to nearly ruin Oh Canada?
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                            • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                              Will this be played?
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                              And, instead of the glass bear, they should have asked Alaska to use terrorist bear.
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                              • Re: The Official Thread of the Run-Up to the XXI Olympic Winter Games, Vancouver, Canada

                                A lot of times engineers are people who have no idea how to actually use what they're designing. I used to work with a guy who hated engineers on hunting equipment...They'd put velcro on everything so when you went to open it, you'd scare the animal off.

                                As far as the video, I saw it twice on the NBC Nightly News story, I don't need to see it again. I don't think it needs to be shown. Would NBC be showing it if that were an American? A lot of networks won't show the planes going into the World Trade Center, but yet have no problems showing people getting blown up in Iraq or dead bodies all over Haiti.

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