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  • Originally posted by leswp1 View Post

    People who work nights have higher incidence of bad outcome with chronic disease. The circadian rhythm thing is blamed.
    Great. Fine, I'll go to sleep early. You Day Walkers ruin everything. :-(
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    • Putting this here rather than calorie counter thread.

      dusted off “how not to die” book and it resonated even more with me now than first time I read it. I don’t bother with diet books or superfoods, but the way this MD laid everything out was so logical and convincing.

      im not going to go completely plant based but I’m going to do a lot more. Even the things like adding in flaxseed and turmeric to meals is easy and helpful.

      it’s amazing what even four days of good, clean eating can do for the digestive system . I don’t drink much anymore so diet soda is really the last bad thing I’m clinging to.
      hopefully weight loss follows.

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      • As much as I want to get started on my fall baking projects, I'm laying off the sugar for the most part (I do put cane sugar in my coffee), drinking more coffee/water/Bubly, and am down to like 222. 12 pounds to go before breast augmentation.
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        • OK, Cafe docs.

          So, I went for my flu shot today. I am embarrassed to admit I have not had one in years, but the realities of this year brought home how stupid I was being.

          Here's two observations: (1) Needles have gotten smaller or better or something. I have virtually zero pain tolerance and shots have always been very difficult for me. I barely noticed it. (2) About 2 hours after the shot I started to feel really dizzy. But in a good way, like drunk dizzy. It lasted about an hour. I enjoyed it immensely. So, what was that about? I've never had that reaction to a shot in my life (though I read up on it to make sure I wasn't about to drop dead and sure enough it is one reaction to a flu shot).
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          • It was actually vampire serum. Enjoy it, but you are now the undead.
            I gotta little bit of smoke and a whole lotta wine...

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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              OK, Cafe docs.

              So, I went for my flu shot today. I am embarrassed to admit I have not had one in years, but the realities of this year brought home how stupid I was being.

              Here's two observations: (1) Needles have gotten smaller or better or something. I have virtually zero pain tolerance and shots have always been very difficult for me. I barely noticed it. (2) About 2 hours after the shot I started to feel really dizzy. But in a good way, like drunk dizzy. It lasted about an hour. I enjoyed it immensely. So, what was that about? I've never had that reaction to a shot in my life (though I read up on it to make sure I wasn't about to drop dead and sure enough it is one reaction to a flu shot).
              What you suffered is a rather common reaction. Many who get it feel like they have gotten the flu (impossible with these shots as there is no live virus used). What you felt can occur with any of the 4 common shots given. Seniors over 65 should be getting what is called the High Dose shot. It has 4 times as much antigen in it so as to try to get a better antibody response as we old times just do not make then as easily as younger patients. Those under 65 get the regular dosage. In theory the HD dose shot for those older folks should give more frequent reactions and somewhat more severe reactions than what you suffered. But now we have to add in another variable. Eac of these two shots can be given in two fashions. The first is the traditional shot as describes above. The other is a shot containing adjuvant (an oil compound meant to elicit a much greater antibody response). When adjuvant is added to the regular shot (for those under 65) the shot is otherwise the same. When it is added to the HD shot for seniors, then they lower the dosage and give a lower dose because in theory, the HD dose is not needed.
              Any time you take any of these, try taking a couple Tylenol before you go and then again a couple hours after the hsot. most people find that helpful in avoiding the reaction you felt.
              Personally I would not take anything with adjuvant in it unless it has been used for many years before. There is a fairly large increase in Sarcoma cancers in cats and dogs when it has been shown that they received rabies shots with adjuvant included instead of simple rabies injections.
              Take the shortest distance to the puck and arrive in ill humor

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              • As far as not feeling the shot as much - perhaps you were fortunate to have a nurse or pharmacist who knows how to give the shot better. My office nurse (also my wife) gives a far better injection than I do. She has had much more experience and a much lighter touch. it could also be that as you have gotten older, your nerve endings become less sensitive (which i do not believe) or that your mind was just preoccupied with other things and you just was not thinking about getting stuck.
                Take the shortest distance to the puck and arrive in ill humor

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                • Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                  Any time you take any of these, try taking a couple Tylenol before you go and then again a couple hours after the shot. most people find that helpful in avoiding the reaction you felt.
                  Avoid it? Hell, I wanted to prolong it.
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                  • Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                    As far as not feeling the shot as much - perhaps you were fortunate to have a nurse or pharmacist who knows how to give the shot better. My office nurse (also my wife) gives a far better injection than I do. She has had much more experience and a much lighter touch. it could also be that as you have gotten older, your nerve endings become less sensitive (which i do not believe) or that your mind was just preoccupied with other things and you just was not thinking about getting stuck.
                    Maybe. I also had blood work and that didn't bother me either, and I have blood work 2x a year and it's really hit or miss (so to speak) whether I am in agony/feel faint. I may have just gotten SuperNurse this time.
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                    • Originally posted by Swansong View Post
                      It was actually vampire serum. Enjoy it, but you are now the undead.
                      In Soviet Amerika, shot gets you.

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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                        Avoid it? Hell, I wanted to prolong it.
                        Then what you really need is a couple of Quaaludes (sorry though they have been extinct since the late 1980's). In small dosages nothing distorted time and distance as well.
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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                          Maybe. I also had blood work and that didn't bother me either, and I have blood work 2x a year and it's really hit or miss (so to speak) whether I am in agony/feel faint. I may have just gotten SuperNurse this time.
                          There really is a technique to learn to give these shots well. Since it is going through the skin that hurts (that is where the nerve endings are). You try to go through quickly and with the bevel of the needle oriented upward. Then, inject evenly and not too rapidly (but not too slowly either). As I mentioned, most doctors are horrible at this unless they perform a lot of surgery under local anesthesia, which I do. And even then, some medications simple hurt and burn more than others.
                          Take the shortest distance to the puck and arrive in ill humor

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                          • Originally posted by DrDemento View Post

                            Then what you really need is a couple of Quaaludes (sorry though they have been extinct since the late 1980's). In small dosages nothing distorted time and distance as well.
                            I've been trying to do this by reading philosophy for the last 20 years.

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                            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post

                              I've been trying to do this by reading philosophy for the last 20 years.

                              I think that is great - but a 714 cracked into quarters and taken every so often would get you where you want to be much faster!
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                              • Originally posted by DrDemento View Post

                                I think that is great - but a 714 cracked into quarters and taken every so often would get you where you want to be much faster!
                                I'm more thinking if I knew it was available in pill form I might not have read 5000 pages of Heidegger.
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