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  • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I had an Uber driver in CT tell me that he thinks we should go back to the days when representatives and Senators served one term, then went back home and returned to private enterprise. No more consecutive terms.

    Even in the 19th century, did that ever really happen? Or is it just some fantasy of "conservative libertarians"?
    I do know at one time Senators were appointed, not elected.
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    • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

      Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
      I do know at one time Senators were appointed, not elected.
      Here it is:

      Before the adoption of the Seventeenth Amendment in 1913, Senators were elected by the individual state legislatures. Problems with repeated vacant seats due to the inability of a legislature to elect senators, intrastate political struggles, and even bribery and intimidation had gradually led to a growing movement to amend the Constitution to allow for the direct election of senators.
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      • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

        Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
        I had an Uber driver in CT tell me that he thinks we should go back to the days when representatives and Senators served one term, then went back home and returned to private enterprise. No more consecutive terms.
        This is a TERRIBLE idea. The information and expertise deficit that legislators face against lobbyists is already enormous. This would make it even worse. It would also eliminate any ability of leadership to impose discipline on insane / stupid / malevolent Members, which would lead to an entire legislature of Steve Kings and Joe Bartons. Money would be the only factor deciding who won elections since the public referendum on an incumbent's votes -- the keystone of democracy -- would be cut off. Members elected by corporate lobbies would simply do their bidding and then retire to a highly lucrative reward for being bribed.
        Last edited by Kepler; 08-22-2017, 09:30 AM.
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        • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

          If you oppose Trump you're opposing God.
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          • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            If you oppose Trump you're opposing God.
            Of course, we'll just ignore the fact that Trump has never been religious...
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            • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

              3 words for you - Publicly funded elections

              No matter how good and well intentioned you are, it's almost a constant cycle of fundraising to hold onto your seat. That just naturally leads to gravitating towards whoever has the money - which for the most part are the lobbyists. For some it leads to outright corruption, but even for the best of them it leads to a slow corrosion of principles. Take all the money, corruption, fundraising, influence out of it by publicly funding elections. Everyone has the same amount, let's see what you do with it, like a salary cap in sports.

              And it goes without saying that Citizens United needs to overturned as part of this change.
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              • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                If you oppose Trump you're opposing God.
                And by "God", she means:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds

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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  If you oppose Trump you're opposing God.
                  Side note, I know a guy who sold pallets of duck tape to Jim Bakker for Bakkar to resell at a ludacris markup to his church followers as Bakkar approved Doomsday Duct Tape.
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                  • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                    Originally posted by E.J. Smith View Post
                    3 words for you - Publicly funded elections

                    No matter how good and well intentioned you are, it's almost a constant cycle of fundraising to hold onto your seat. That just naturally leads to gravitating towards whoever has the money - which for the most part are the lobbyists. For some it leads to outright corruption, but even for the best of them it leads to a slow corrosion of principles. Take all the money, corruption, fundraising, influence out of it by publicly funding elections. Everyone has the same amount, let's see what you do with it, like a salary cap in sports.

                    And it goes without saying that Citizens United needs to overturned as part of this change.
                    Yes. In addition, strict limits on all political spending for all purposes. Spending is not protected speech, you f-cking transparent criminals.
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                    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Yes.
                      Sign me up as well.
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                      • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                        And where are we going to get the money for that?
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                        • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          And where are we going to get the money for that?
                          Correct. The only endless money pools we have are tax cuts for the 1% and the Industrial Military Complex. Everything else has limits.
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                            https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/s...11467955974144

                            Like I said, better to confront and counter protest than merely ignoring them.

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                            • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                              Originally posted by E.J. Smith View Post
                              3 words for you - Publicly funded elections

                              No matter how good and well intentioned you are, it's almost a constant cycle of fundraising to hold onto your seat. That just naturally leads to gravitating towards whoever has the money - which for the most part are the lobbyists. For some it leads to outright corruption, but even for the best of them it leads to a slow corrosion of principles. Take all the money, corruption, fundraising, influence out of it by publicly funding elections. Everyone has the same amount, let's see what you do with it, like a salary cap in sports.

                              And it goes without saying that Citizens United needs to overturned as part of this change.
                              That's great, but Libs/Dems/whatever just blew their best chance to actually get Citizens United overturned when they p !ssed away a SCOTUS seat because of e-mails or something. I'm having a hard time advocating for an idea even if I agree with it when likeminded supporters are so willing to cut off their nose to spite their faces. If Chump gets once more court pick Citizens United is permanent as opposed to already on the way out which was within our power to achieve a short time ago.
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                              • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                                Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                That's great, but Libs/Dems/whatever just blew their best chance to actually get Citizens United overturned when they p !ssed away a SCOTUS seat because of kneejerk defense of a terrible candidate who happened to be wired into the power structure of the party. I'm having a hard time advocating for an idea even if I agree with it when likeminded supporters are so willing to cut off their nose to spite their faces.
                                Agree completely.
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