POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

[aparch]

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Montana city to remove Confederate fountain.

A Confederate statue in Helena, Montana is set for removal from a city park after Native American lawmakers petitioned the city council, according to a report on Thursday.

The Helena City Commission directed City Manager Ron Alles to remove the granite fountain from a downtown park on Tuesday, although no official vote was held on the matter, the Independence Record reported.

Well that's awfully good of them to be progressive in this time of...

Hey...

Wait a minute...

*Opens Wikipedia tab in Firefox*
Montana Territory formed: May 26, 1864
End of Civil War: May 9, 1865
Montana Statehood granted: November 8, 1889
Helena Confederate Memorial Fountain dedicated: 1916.

Fifty. One. Fu**ing years after the Civil War ended, the Daughters of the Confederacy spent the money to erect a statue to the confederate soldiers who fled to Montana. Men who lived 24 more years following the Civil War in a frontier territory without statehood control.

[The Rube]

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Montana city to remove Confederate fountain.

Well that's awfully good of them to be progressive in this time of...

Hey...

Wait a minute...

*Opens Wikipedia tab in Firefox*
Montana Territory formed: May 26, 1864
End of Civil War: May 9, 1865
Montana Statehood granted: November 8, 1889
Helena Confederate Memorial Fountain dedicated: 1916.

Fifty. One. Fu**ing years after the Civil War ended, the Daughters of the Confederacy spent the money to erect a statue to the confederate soldiers who fled to Montana. Men who lived 24 more years following the Civil War in a frontier territory without statehood control.

But I was told it was about the Confederacy, and racism was a minute factor in the statues?

[Handyman]

Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

I'm five minutes into the Vice special.
JFC.

The 11 minute mark is where my jaw dropped. The car came out of nowhere...

[Handyman]

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But I was told it was about the Confederacy, and racism was a minute factor in the statues?

What do Neo Nazis care about the Confederacy...I will hang up and listen.

You can try and dress it up however you like...the facts dont support your thesis man.

[aparch]

But I was told it was about the Confederacy, and racism was a minute factor in the statues?

No, racism was definetly alive and well in 1916. Pretty sure this was a "gentle" reminder to any "darkies" traveling through Montana that a large group of "good ole boys" lived in the area.

And don't forget Oregon (territory from 1848 to 1859, statehood after) was a racist utopia while going under the guise of a "free state" during the Civil War.

In 1857, as Oregon sought to become a state, it wrote the exclusion of blacks into its constitution: “No free negro or mulatto, not residing in this State at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall ever come, reside, or be within this State, or hold any real estate, or make any contract, or maintain any suit therein; and the Legislative Assembly shall provide by penal laws for the removal by public officers of all such free negroes and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the State, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the State, or employ or harbor them therein.”

When Oregon entered the Union in 1859 — it did so as a “whites-only” state. The original state constitution banned slavery, but also excluded nonwhites from living there.

Also, when the 15th Amendment (prohibits the federal and state governments from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude") was ratified in 1870, Oregon, along with seven other states refused to approve of the amendment. It passed (obviously) without their approval. But Oregon finally caved to formally ratifying the amendment in... 1959.
(It wasn't the last hold out from officially recognizing black men as equals; that would go to: California 1962,
Maryland 1973, Kentucky 1976, and Tennessee 1997. )





And if through all this, you still think the Daughters of the Confederacy is a cutesy way of honoring the families of the Confederate soldiers, holy fu**, you couldn't be more wrong.

[aparch]

What do Neo Nazis care about the Confederacy...I will hang up and listen.

*raises hand*
Can I answer please?!?

They share the same ideology.

[mookie1995]

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Reading about the Pershing story on Snopes is all-the-more funny considering Pershing did the exact opposite:

"it is amazing how dull history books are, given how much of what's in them must be invented"

[Slap Shot]

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Considering the ability to expertly manipulate the media do you think that matters? There are certain sites that will tell you the same conditions exist now.

Yes it matters. Tchumpistas are still a minority and will remain as such. I repeat we are not even remotely close to having conditions similar to those of 1930's Germany and no amount of hyperbole (from Trump supporters nor those that fear them) is going to change that.

[walrus]

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So, why has Benadict Arnold been slighted? no statues for him?

The trail to quebec in Maine has some markers for Arnold, no statues that I know of.

[mookie1995]

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/st..._medium=Social

hmmmm.

[dxmnkd316]

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/st..._medium=Social

hmmmm.

That article was a massive pile of ****.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Finally, do people really not see the difference between monuments to people who fought FOR this country and monuments to people who fought AGAINST this country? Really? That can't be that hard.

We're talking, literally, about monuments to traitors who fought against the United States and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. In 50 years are we going to be putting up monuments to the 9/11 hi jackers? Because the only difference there is that they weren't also traitors and killed far fewer Americans.

Hate to break it to you, but Lee fought FOR the Southern portion of the country. If you saw a Lee statue in the middle of Detroit, yes you might have a point. He stood up to northern aggressors that invaded them when they wanted to leave. Yes, he was unsuccessful. However, he stood up for states' rights against an overbearing federal government. That is what they honor.

Oh, and there were requests to put mosques near Ground Zero.

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Hate to break it to you, but Lee fought FOR the Southern portion of the country.

He fought for the CSA, not the USA. It's not like the CSA's intent was to win the war, then become members of the USA again. That's like saying George Washington fought for England.

Oh, and there were requests to put mosques near Ground Zero.

That you consider a mosque to be a memorial to the 9/11 highjackers tells us everything we need to know about you.

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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The way that the RWM and people like Flaggy bend the knee and make excuses for the confederacy and these neo-Nazi/WN clowns is astonishing.

For all that they like to ***** about the left or the MSM, I've never heard anyone defend the likes of, say, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg like that. I don't even think I've heard as much left wing support for those annoying sophomore poli sci and women's studies majors that throw tantrums whenever a conservative wants to speak at their school.

[dxmnkd316]

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He fought for the CSA, not the USA. It's not like the CSA's intent was to win the war, then become members of the USA again. That's like saying George Washington fought for England.


That you consider a mosque to be a memorial to the 9/11 highjackers tells us everything we need to know about you.

Stop engaging him. He's either a troll or a despicable human. He's been exposed for a long time.