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  • #841
    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    Nice try...the Germans denounced the Nazis hell made the flag illegal. The South still embraces the Confederacy. Until they do we shouldnt embrace them. The South Shall Not Rise Again.

    Care to try again without sounding completely lost?
    What about Wernher Von Braun? Should Huntsville rename the building? How many civilians did he kill via the V2?

    And I quote again what Lincoln said at his 2nd inauguration, "...With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds..."

    If Lincoln was willing to forgive, why can't we?
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    • #842
      Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      If Lincoln was willing to forgive, why can't we?
      Lincoln was a better man than me, I guess.

      Once the Earth is rid of scum like Nazis, members of the KKK, adherents of the alt-right, and well, I guess a good portion of the people who voted for trump, I might find the time to forgive some of them. Until then, they deserve our scorn, our contempt and quite a few of them deserve to beaten to a pulp. But none have earned or deserve our forgiveness unless and until they renounce their former beliefs and show by their actions they have turned over a new leaf.

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      • #843
        Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

        Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
        Lincoln was a better man than me, I guess.

        Once the Earth is rid of scum like Nazis, members of the KKK, adherents of the alt-right, and well, I guess a good portion of the people who voted for trump, I might find the time to forgive some of them. Until then, they deserve our scorn, our contempt and quite a few of them deserve to beaten to a pulp. But none have earned or deserve our forgiveness unless and until they renounce their former beliefs and show by their actions they have turned over a new leaf.
        Depending on circumstances.....if they have taken action on their beliefs to harm others physically or incited others to take action on those beliefs, then yes. Otherwise, no. Voting, basic speech/protests...nope. They have a right to express their beliefs, and we have a right to denounce them.
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        • #844
          Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
          Lincoln was a better man than me, I guess.

          Once the Earth is rid of scum like Nazis, members of the KKK, adherents of the alt-right, and well, I guess a good portion of the people who voted for trump, I might find the time to forgive some of them. Until then, they deserve our scorn, our contempt and quite a few of them deserve to beaten to a pulp. But none have earned or deserve our forgiveness unless and until they renounce their former beliefs and show by their actions they have turned over a new leaf.
          Please don't rule out Antifa. There just as big idiots as the neos.

          The current crop of idiots are idiots and deserve our scorn and ridicule. But historical figures?

          Oh, found out there are 3 Lenin statues in the USA (NYC, LA, Seattle). Tear them down?
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          • #845
            Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            Please don't rule out Antifa. There just as big idiots as the neos.

            The current idiots are idiots and deserve our scorn and ridicule. But historical figures?

            Oh, found out there are 3 Lenin statues in the USA (NYC, LA, Seattle). Tear them down?
            Not sure why we'd tear down Lenin. Stalin, definitely.
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            • #846
              Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              What about Wernher Von Braun? Should Huntsville rename the building?
              Yes.
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              • #847
                Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                Can we get rid of Mount Rushmore? Teddy Roosevelt wasn't fond of those darned Indians. This is the precedent we are setting as a nation. Just sayin'.
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                • #848
                  Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                  Can we get rid of Mount Rushmore? Teddy Roosevelt wasn't fond of those darned Indians. This is the precedent we are setting as a nation. Just sayin'.
                  Did Teddy fight for a traitorous state built upon an economy of slavery?
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                  • #849
                    Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                    Lee opposed Confederate monuments, why do you support them?
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                    • #850
                      Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                      Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                      Did Teddy fight for a traitorous state built upon an economy of slavery?
                      He just eliminated the lesser people, and believed in it:

                      Roosevelt: 'I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are'

                      So back to my point, if slavery/racism is a major point in these monuments...we better start cleaning house. Can't pick and choose the "good" ones.

                      And Washington fought for the same. But he was a great general and great president.
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                      • #851
                        Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                        He just eliminated the lesser people, and believed in it:

                        Roosevelt: 'I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are'

                        So back to my point, if slavery/racism is a major point in these monuments...we better start cleaning house. Can't pick and choose the "good" ones.

                        And Washington fought for the same. But he was a great general and great president.
                        You don't need to keep repeating your argument. It's been understood and rejected.
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                        • #852
                          Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                          Did Teddy fight for a traitorous state built upon an economy of slavery?
                          He believed in eugenics.
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                          • #853
                            Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                            Washington: was a traitor against Britain. Slave owner. Pretty darn good general.
                            RE Lee: was a traitor against USA. Slave owner. Not as good of a general.

                            Yeah, false equivalency.

                            I am not FOR keeping the monuments. I am thinking this is a dangerous precedent for future events.
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                            • #854
                              Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                              Washington: was a traitor against Britain. Slave owner. Pretty darn good general.
                              RE Lee: was a traitor against USA. Slave owner. Not as good of a general.

                              Yeah, false equivalency.
                              I'll say. Lee was a far better field general than Washington.
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                              • #855
                                Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                                New Trump comms director?
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