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  • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    What about Wernher Von Braun? Should Huntsville rename the building? How many civilians did he kill via the V2?

    And I quote again what Lincoln said at his 2nd inauguration, "...With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds..."

    If Lincoln was willing to forgive, why can't we?
    Maybe when the South isnt still a haven for racists I will consider it. You can compare them to Nazi Germany all you want Germany atoned the South still hasnt. In fact many embrace still it. Lincoln forgave because he had to let them back in and let the country heal. We have seen how that has screwed us over since he made that choice. If he had lived he would have condemned the South for how they acted for 100 years after the War. (and farther...it isnt like they have harmony now)

    And Brent, please stop with that fallacy. First of all the flag that is used by Skynard and Dukes is not the Stars and Bars. This is the Stars and Bars and is almost never associated with racism. The flag that symbolizes racism is the Beauregard Flag or the Southern Cross and it most certainly is a symbol of all the negative aspects of the South.

    Second, the Southern Culture is derived from the Confederacy no matter how much people pretend it isnt. The Dukes car is called the General Lee for a reason. Southern attitude is based on the stereotype of the South that dates back to when exactly...I know there is this myth that the Southern Pride is /= to embracing the Confederacy but literally every piece of observable evidence goes against it. Whether it is the use of "The Rebel Yell", chants like "The South Shall Rise Again" or using the battle flag of the Confederacy it screams it. That they refuse to admit it out of fear of being called out for it doesnt change that fact. They may not be racist, but they definitely identify with the idea of the Southern Confederacy.
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    • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      I'll say. Lee was a far better field general than Washington.
      Washington's top 5 moves as a field general were basically all retreats. His strength was always keeping the army around to fight another day, and not much on battlefield tactics.

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      • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        Can we get rid of Mount Rushmore? Teddy Roosevelt wasn't fond of those darned Indians. This is the precedent we are setting as a nation. Just sayin'.
        Teddy didnt rebel against the country and become Benedict Arnold. Good lord dude I know you are trying to make a point but you need to brush up on history if you are going to do it because that was pathetically off point.

        The problem isnt that Lee hated Black people...it is that he committed treason against the United States in the name of his racism. You ever been to Arlington Cemetery? If not go there and go to his house and read about it sometime. This myth he was a moral man who hated slavery and only fought for the South because of Virginia is a crock.
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        • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

          I know about the Stars and Bars, Handy. Hence my qualification "as we know it," as in current form. So don't lecture me on that.

          And secondly, the biggest shouting I hear about the southern monuments is because of racism/slaves. See also: re-naming Lake Calhoun. I just want consistency at that point.
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          • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            I'll say. Lee was a far better field general than Washington.
            Not really he just had better subordinates. Stonewall Jackson was the brains behind the Army of Northern Virginia which is why they went to crap after they died. Jackson never lets Lee order Pickett's March on Day 3 of Gettysburg.

            And Brent, Washington being a traitor against Britain is immaterial. WE DONT LIVE IN BRITAIN!! That parallel is stupid when racists use it and you are smarter than that. The second the Revolutionary War was over he was a local hero. The second the South lost Lee was a traitor. That is how it works. If America loses Washington is hanged. If the South wins Lee probably becomes President of the Free State of Virginia. That didnt happen so it doesnt matter.
            "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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            • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
              I know about the Stars and Bars, Handy. Hence my qualification "as we know it," as in current form. So don't lecture me on that.

              And secondly, the biggest shouting I hear about the southern monuments is because of racism/slaves. See also: re-naming Lake Calhoun. I just want consistency at that point.
              I dont want Lake Calhoun changed...it makes no sense.

              I would be all for keeping the Southern Monuments if they werent now rallying cries for racists. That seems to be their Alamo now so let them watch it burn. They dont want it up for Historical perspective, they want them to honor the racist traitors. Well...
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
              -aparch

              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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              • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                Washington's top 5 moves as a field general were basically all retreats. His strength was always keeping the army around to fight another day, and not much on battlefield tactics.
                Yes he was the man who could inspire (tallest man in the room) but he wasnt much for tactics. Nothing wrong with that.
                "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                -aparch

                "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                -INCH

                Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  Not really he just had better subordinates. Stonewall Jackson was the brains behind the Army of Northern Virginia which is why they went to crap after they died. Jackson never lets Lee order Pickett's March on Day 3 of Gettysburg.

                  And Brent, Washington being a traitor against Britain is immaterial. WE DONT LIVE IN BRITAIN!! That parallel is stupid when racists use it and you are smarter than that. The second the Revolutionary War was over he was a local hero. The second the South lost Lee was a traitor. That is how it works. If America loses Washington is hanged. If the South wins Lee probably becomes President of the Free State of Virginia. That didnt happen so it doesnt matter.
                  A traitor is a traitor. It's the act, not the results, that matter.

                  I agree on the Lake Calhoun thing. Hence me saying, hey, if THAT'S the reason for a change, we have a whole slew of things that need to be changed.
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                  • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    Please don't rule out Antifa. There just as big idiots as the neos.
                    This is so ****ing absurd. Neo nazis have committed more terrorist acts than Muslims in this country for a while now and you're equating them to antifa?

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                    • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                      Speaking of Lincoln

                      Should we take bets on who is responsible...
                      "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                      -aparch

                      "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                      -INCH

                      Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                      -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                      • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                        This is so ****ing absurd. Neo nazis have committed more terrorist acts than Muslims in this country for a while now and you're equating them to antifa?
                        I agree with trix.

                        Antifa, while noble in their cause, are fine until they resort to violence that is not self-defense/etc. Then I don't like them one bit. "They yelled stuff at us" and "they spew hate" are not justifiable excuses.
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                        • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          Yes he was the man who could inspire (tallest man in the room) but he wasnt much for tactics. Nothing wrong with that.
                          Oh yeah, not saying there was, it most definitely got the job done.

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                          Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
                          iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
                          gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
                          Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
                          Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
                          TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
                          DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

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                          • Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            Maybe when the South isnt still a haven for racists I will consider it. You can compare them to Nazi Germany all you want Germany atoned the South still hasnt. In fact many embrace still it. Lincoln forgave because he had to let them back in and let the country heal. We have seen how that has screwed us over since he made that choice. If he had lived he would have condemned the South for how they acted for 100 years after the War. (and farther...it isnt like they have harmony now)

                            And Brent, please stop with that fallacy. First of all the flag that is used by Skynard and Dukes is not the Stars and Bars. This is the Stars and Bars and is almost never associated with racism. The flag that symbolizes racism is the Beauregard Flag or the Southern Cross and it most certainly is a symbol of all the negative aspects of the South.

                            Second, the Southern Culture is derived from the Confederacy no matter how much people pretend it isnt. The Dukes car is called the General Lee for a reason. Southern attitude is based on the stereotype of the South that dates back to when exactly...I know there is this myth that the Southern Pride is /= to embracing the Confederacy but literally every piece of observable evidence goes against it. Whether it is the use of "The Rebel Yell", chants like "The South Shall Rise Again" or using the battle flag of the Confederacy it screams it. That they refuse to admit it out of fear of being called out for it doesnt change that fact. They may not be racist, but they definitely identify with the idea of the Southern Confederacy.
                            It's fun to watch brent twist himself into knots trying to defend a racist symbol while still trying to condemn racism.

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                            • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                              It's fun to watch brent twist himself into knots trying to defend a racist symbol while still trying to condemn racism.

                              "You know, the swastika, as we know it now, has come to mean..."
                              The swastika actually has a rich and noble history in many unique cultures before the Nazis appropriated it for evil. Your point is taken, but bad comparison (it's somewhat interesting that primitive people on different continents independently used it as an important symbol)
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                                Baltimore removed it's Confederate statues overnight, per WTOP radio.
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