POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

[geezer]

Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

The terrorists are getting out of hand, calm down people
edit: I guess this guy is a liberal along the lines of the guy that shot up a baseball game. Still, it's all a symptom of Trump's America

[Drew S.]

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The terrorists are getting out of hand, calm down people

That sounds like fake news. I highly doubt there would be another incident where a liberal shoots an unarmed conservative. With all due respect some of you should take a look in the mirror.

[Handyman]

I'm not referencing Trump's remarks here, but yours. In the very good Vice Documentary that Slap posted this morning, one of the local activists references Monticello and what I took to mean Jefferson as "The Master sitting on top of Monticello... He looks down on us" (It is right here.)

Charlottesville is of course, the home of the University of Virginia, designed by Jefferson and Monticello sits on a hill nearby. Obviously Jefferson was a slave owner. My question is, if it comes to it, how is that best handled?

I dunno... that is a very good question.

[joecct]

I dunno... that is a very good question.

IIRC 30 some odd signers of the Declaration of Independence were slave owners.

IIRC at the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg, the survivors marched across the field and shook hands with each other.

What about the Nazis?

We read the writings of Nazi generals and admirals, some who served in the new West German armed forces. They served an evil government, yet we didn't shoot/hang them all. Some were respected lecturers after the war in this country.

Our German scientists were better than Russia's German scientists and we got to the moon first.

We hate the Nazis but like the Germans? Why can't we decry the Rebellion and honor the participants?

[geezer]

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Why can't we decry the Rebellion and honor the participants?

I don't care much for "whitewashing history" and I'm very leery of mob justice (a tiny group of people destroying common property). And I HATE identity politics, people basing all their self-worth, votes, positions, opinions, etc on their appearance/nationality/lifestyle in opposition to other groups of people who are lighter or darker or straighter or whatever. People are individuals.
But there are a lot of people who do have strong opinions about their own neighborhoods, and I fully respect that. If there are enough of them to vote in an orderly local referendum for the controlled removal of these statues, I don't mind it a bit. I'd have to be insane to drive to some other state with my gun and confederate flag to protest something that's so clearly not my business. If I do, hopefully the people that live there will punch me in the face and then kick me after I'm down until I either leave or wake up. It's just disgusting.
Also: Robert E Lee was not some unusually evil demon like Hitler, he was quite accomplished and widely admired throughout the country at the time of the war. He went to war in defense of his home state in spite of his loyalties to the U.S., he was more or less schizophrenic only in a way typical of Americans of the time in his ideals. All the rage against him is a fairly recent construct.
Still, not my neighborhood so no skin off my nose if it's destroyed.

[Spartanforlife4]

IIRC 30 some odd signers of the Declaration of Independence were slave owners.

IIRC at the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg, the survivors marched across the field and shook hands with each other.

What about the Nazis?

We read the writings of Nazi generals and admirals, some who served in the new West German armed forces. They served an evil government, yet we didn't shoot/hang them all. Some were respected lecturers after the war in this country.

Our German scientists were better than Russia's German scientists and we got to the moon first.

We hate the Nazis but like the Germans? Why can't we decry the Rebellion and honor the participants?

Where are the 1500 monuments to the British on US soil?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Thomas Jefferson did pen this

However, we do have to consider that he likely defined "men" as white, Christian, property-owning, males over the age of 25.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Since some of you continue to quote flagdummy- re- the news.

I'd like to point out flaggy seemed to be posting sporadically at best in these threads of late and most were doing a good job of not "quoting" him. Today the quotes were coming fast and furious and so were the posts. Proof positive that YOU MUST NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

[geezer]

Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

...so ESPN fantasy football introduced a fun new spin on their draft format today where a white auctioneer holds up a picture of a black dude in front of a room full of fat white dudes and "sells" him to the highest bidder.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

The terrorists are getting out of hand, calm down people
edit: I guess this guy is a liberal along the lines of the guy that shot up a baseball game. Still, it's all a symptom of Trump's America

Here's the local news story that makes it clear this went waaaay beyond mere politics, as much as Gateway Pundit (lol) wants you to think it was because he was a Trump hater. The guy was a lunatic and an arsehole.

[geezer]

Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

Here's the local news story that makes it clear this went waaaay beyond mere politics, as much as Gateway Pundit (lol) wants you to think it was because he was a Trump hater. The guy was a lunatic and an arsehole.

Yeah, that's the story I thought I was sending, they didn't even mention the political activism so I was under the assumption he was a Trumper. Somehow I linked a tab that played up the guy's politics.
Deranged lone wolf, like the baseball shooter and the cop killers.

[ScoobyDoo]

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LOL: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/st...96063758077952

rotflmao

[Handyman]

IIRC 30 some odd signers of the Declaration of Independence were slave owners.

IIRC at the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg, the survivors marched across the field and shook hands with each other.

What about the Nazis?

We read the writings of Nazi generals and admirals, some who served in the new West German armed forces. They served an evil government, yet we didn't shoot/hang them all. Some were respected lecturers after the war in this country.

Our German scientists were better than Russia's German scientists and we got to the moon first.

We hate the Nazis but like the Germans? Why can't we decry the Rebellion and honor the participants?

Nice try...the Germans denounced the Nazis hell made the flag illegal. The South still embraces the Confederacy. Until they do we shouldnt embrace them. The South Shall Not Rise Again.

Care to try again without sounding completely lost?

[leswp1]

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rotflmao

My favorite-
I'm not a grammar Nazi... I prefer the term "alt-write"

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

Nice try...the Germans denounced the Nazis he'll made the flag illegal. The South still embraces the Confederacy.

Care to try again without sounding completely lost?

One weird wrinkle to the Stars And Bars (as we know current flag): to many, it is NOT a symbol of slavery/Confederacy. It's simply a symbol of southern life: laid back, rural, aw shucks farmer wisdom life. Think: Lynyrd Skynyrd, Dukes Of Hazzard. I don't know of anyone who thinks of the Nazi flag that way.

Now, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just a very odd wrinkle with the newer generations of southern folk.