POTUS 45.16 - If Never Forgotten, One Would ALWAYS Remember Something.

[Spartanforlife4]

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I love how now according to the Right terrorism is a matter of semantics. If Obama had implied that the Right would be calling for his lynching...

Then:
"Obama is weak for not calling it Islamic terrorism"

Now:
"Eh, terrorism is just a word."

[Handyman]

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Does Megyn Kelly Need a Co-Host

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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You gotta love that Trump is comparing Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson to Jefferson and Washington. Bit of a difference there...

I'm not referencing Trump's remarks here, but yours. In the very good Vice Documentary that Slap posted this morning, one of the local activists references Monticello and what I took to mean Jefferson as "The Master sitting on top of Monticello... He looks down on us" (It is right here.)

Charlottesville is of course, the home of the University of Virginia, designed by Jefferson and Monticello sits on a hill nearby. Obviously Jefferson was a slave owner. My question is, if it comes to it, how is that best handled?

[Kepler]

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Charlottesville is of course, the home of the University of Virginia, designed by Jefferson and Monticello sits on a hill nearby. Obviously Jefferson was a slave owner. My question is, if it comes to it, how is that best handled?

Jefferson wasn't a traitor.

Well, I mean, he was. But his side won.

We shouldn't crush the confederate statues because they were scumbags. We should crush them because they were LOSERS.

[bronconick]

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He had one job, one. Not defend literal white supremacists. And he couldn't even last a day.

[Kepler]

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He had one job, one. Not defend literal white supremacists. And he couldn't even last a day.

He's incompetent.

And also he's only about himself, and he's decided that since skinheads love him and Americans don't, America can suck it.

[Kepler]

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Does Megyn Kelly Need a Co-Host

I'd like to be her co-host...

[MaizeRage]

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Tells you everything you need to know about Trump's comments.

I'll make it even simpler. All you really need to know is that he referred to Nazis as "us".

[French Rage]

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I'll make it even simpler. All you really need to know is that he referred to Nazis as "us".

For the record, updated transcripts do not have that, though the original ones did.

[rufus]

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I'll make it even simpler. All you really need to know is that he referred to Nazis as "us".

What????!!!!!! In what sort of context?

[joecct]

The only reason I'd ever buy naming rights would be to keep them out of the hands of some scumbucket corporation or donor who wanted to slap his own name on it.

Someday Lynah will fall apart. And Cornell in their infinite idiocy will build some hideous series of concentric complexes like a factory school to house the successor. When the worlds award me $1T for my combination of good sense and great looks, I'll glady cough up a couple billion to ensure the names: Laing Kennedy Athletic Complex; Ken Dryden Hockey Center; James Lynah Rink.

Was Lynah a goalie, too?

[alfablue]

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I'm not referencing Trump's remarks here, but yours. In the very good Vice Documentary that Slap posted this morning, one of the local activists references Monticello and what I took to mean Jefferson as "The Master sitting on top of Monticello... He looks down on us" (It is right here.)

Charlottesville is of course, the home of the University of Virginia, designed by Jefferson and Monticello sits on a hill nearby. Obviously Jefferson was a slave owner. My question is, if it comes to it, how is that best handled?

Winners vs. losers.

On another board, someone asked if Washington could be considered a traitor. In the eyes of the British, of course he was. Duh. And since he won, he's a hero of ours.

Your info about Jefferson is a good example that our Founding Fathers are not without fault. Which is a way to point out that what they wrote is up to real debate, but that's a different thread.

Thomas Jefferson did pen this

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Given all of his faults, we've been trying for that to come true ever since it went public. AND we are still working on it.

We had a Civil War about it. People have gone back and claimed of many other reasons, but they all come back to the economics of the south- to make a lot of money, they needed slavery to pay for it. There's no way around it.

Because of that Civil war, Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson were both traitors to the United States of America, they are both losers, too. They were part of the US army, and then decided to take arms against that country- the definition of traitors, AND they lost that war- so they are losers, too. How we go about celebrating traitor losers like that is beyond me. Sure, some markers to define the history of what happened- we should not forget that at all. But to put them on a pedestal for being a traitor loser? What's up with that?

Put it in the context of history when the statues were mostly put up, as well as the confederate flags being parts of states- you can easily see that it's a reaction for the people they oppressed getting any type of advantage.

Back the original point- Jackson and Lee were losers and traitors, Washington and Jefferson were revolutionary winners. It's pretty simple.

[aparch]

Charlottesville is of course, the home of the University of Virginia, designed by Jefferson and Monticello sits on a hill nearby. Obviously Jefferson was a slave owner. My question is, if it comes to it, how is that best handled?

With respect, remeberance, and somber tones. Auschwitz still stand even though it is a deep, dark spot in history. Other similar dark marks in history are preserved the same in an effort to teach the future.

So treat Jefferson's home with care.


Unlike these statues the alt-right treat like Six Flags Over Confederacy.

[French Rage]

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While Washington and Jefferson both did own slaves, which will be a stain on them, they both helped found the country and did not take up arms against it. Neither of the latter is true about Lee or Jackson, so we're left with only the former. Maybe that's a dry way of looking at it, but it's hard to overlook those points when considering who deserves a statue. (I mean, in terms of military genius, Jackson was amazing; but that means I will read about it in history books, which still exist and will continue to.)

[French Rage]

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LOL: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/st...96063758077952