POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Everybody that elected this clown believes in what he says, or worse yet knows he is a fraud but believes in the hate he spouts. Over 60 million voted for him, and we all know others who don't vote also agree with those who do. If the far right don't have a country than neither do the millions of people who DO believe in laws and open mindedness and do unto others.

Of the 60 million people who voted Trump, I'd bet 10 million voted for him and 50 million voted against us. The right is purely reactive. They are the party of "I hate Them, do you hate Them? Good, let's hurt Them." The only "affirmative" statements from the far right are about repealing the last hundred years.

[Kepler]

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What world are you living in? You act like he took power because he won the lottery...the clown won 60 million votes. The "Far Right Outlier" you always dismiss controls both houses of Congress, most of the State Legislatures and the governorship. The outliers are us because we are on the Left and we actually choose to fight and give a ****.

Nobody is arguing that we need to fight and beat these guys, and nobody is arguing there aren't a ton of them. The point is this isn't a competition between two visions of America. The people actually doing all the work are on this side. The other side is just electoral vandalism right now.

There are minority active, positive (in the sense of forward-looking, albeit hellish) competing American visions coming from the right but they're completely eclipsed by the Victim Cult of the GOP. One is Pence's theocracy. Another is Ryan's 19th century class brutality. Those are "normal" (albeit extreme) political movements always gurgling on the right. But what is now the face of the right is just a jihad against Them. It's making people scared and angry and inciting them to pogrom. Right now they have the government so that pogrom is via legislation and deregulation. Later, when they lose control, we'll see if they take the obvious next step.

That's what I mean by saying the US is not divided. The people in this country are divided, but it's the US against a growing domestic terrorist movement. The latter has nothing to do with the US and indeed in cases like Bundy it sees the US as the enemy.

[Handyman]

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A generation is typically thought of as about 21 years' time. I'd say we are about half a generation away from the demographics really working against the GOP. That, I think, is at the heart of Kep's optimism. But that depends on some traditional voter assumptions, and we've learned how mistaken those can be.

What many have said about the 52% women's vote is true, IMO--that many of those women voted to support their husbands' current struggles. That 55-75 white male demographic brought the women along with it. The demographics will undoubtedly be a LOT different in 12 years, but it's hard to predict whether traditional voting assumptions will hold up.

And all it takes is one crazy with a bomb or one police action/war to change all of that and you know it.

[unofan]

I don't really know, but there's a snarly old property law called the Rule Against Perpetuities that uses 21 years as a sort of generational measure. It reads as follows:

No [nonvested property] interest is good unless it must vest, if at all, not later than 21 years after some life in being at the creation of the interest.

If you want it explained in a way you can understand, you'd better call on unofan.

The only thing I have to say about the rule against perpituities is that there are multiple court cases saying it's not malpractice to violate it because no one knows what the hell it means.

[ScoobyDoo]

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And all it takes is one crazy with a bomb or one police action/war to change all of that and you know it.

Yep. And we get sucked in every time like puppets on a string. We used to be smarter.

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

We used to be smarter.

Wait? When?

[ScoobyDoo]

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Wait? When?

I'd argue this all went off the table when we decided the War in Iraq was ok. That status of forces agreement changed everything. I've heard that the House is changing that standing order finally so maybe we're snapping back.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Yep. And we get sucked in every time like puppets on a string. We used to be smarter.

Off topic but almost related: just read that MSP airport had a 95% failure rate for this latest test of explosives, prohibited items, etc.
nearly complete failure

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Off topic but almost related: just read that MSP airport had a 95% failure rate for this latest test of explosives, prohibited items, etc.
nearly complete failure

LOL. So we're spending all this ****ing money and it's doing nothing? jfc.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Security theater at its finest.

[Slap Shot]

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A generation as I understood it has traditionally been 20 years, however burd might be onto something I missed and it's more precisely 21.

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.13 - CNN is still Fake News

Off topic but almost related: just read that MSP airport had a 95% failure rate for this latest test of explosives, prohibited items, etc.
nearly complete failure

OTOH, nobody's going to blow up MSP airport.

Though they should. It would be 1000x more scary to blow up Melonville than NYC or Paris, because then everybody would feel at risk no matter where they were.

[burd]

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OTOH, nobody's going to blow up MSP airport.

Though they should. It would be 1000x more scary to blow up Melonville than NYC or Paris, because then everybody would feel at risk no matter where they were.

I can't believe ISIS hasn't blown up a wedding reception or graduation at a bowling alley in Peoria by now. It would have that effect.

They do have their weddings at bowling alleys in Peoria, don't they. I mean, Minnesota isn't the only place that does that?

[Kepler]

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LOL. So we're spending all this ****ing money and it's doing nothing? jfc.

I wouldn't say nothing.

[Kepler]

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I can't believe ISIS hasn't blown up a bowling alley in Peoria by now. It would have that effect.

Exactly. The easiest, softest target too. And with the media it would make just as big a splash as a real place. Media is the Great Equalizer when it comes to fear.

Spend $500 to blow up one preschool in some white jerkwater town of 50k in the midwest and watch the US spend $3T on useless, bipartisan security theater in response. Judo.