POTUS 45.11: Attack! Repeat. Atrack!!!

[The Rube]

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Added:

Any non-hardcore Rs and/or Trumpers: You have a lot of ears on you right now. No matter if you are R, or I, or D....it's go-time. I hope someone succeeds.

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Slappy did nail it.

I doubt I could have said it better.

I prob agree that the 2018 is a lost cause....however, 2020 gives enough time to find the right candidate, a good candidate, because (and man, I hope this is true) a Trump re-elect SHOULD be dam near impossible.

Edit: I know I couldn't have said it better. Re: Slappy.

Trump's best hope for re-election is the Republican wet dream of so-called liberal fascism - a Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton ticket.

Joking aside, it's not his only hope, however. A legitimate defeat of ISIS sometime in 2019 or 2020 would be YUUUGE as far as inspiring shallow, "Murica! FOOK YEAH!" patriotism throughout the country. Not very likely to happen, but...

Also, wartime Presidents usually get re-elected. So if a serious shooting war were to happen in this age on his watch, I tend to think he'd be safe.

Those blue collar factory jobs that he promised would stay and/or return though? Or how promised that not only would everyone utilizing Obamacare get to keep their coverage, but that it would be better & cheaper? Those are the lies that Democrats really need to hammer away at for the next 3 years.

[jerphisch]

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The bolded/underlined do apply to both sides, btw. And it sucks.

What specific issues currently being pursued by the right do you think the left should be listening to?

[The Rube]

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Trump's best hope for re-election is the Republican wet dream of so-called liberal fascism - a Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton ticket.

Joking aside, it's not his only hope, however. A legitimate defeat of ISIS sometime in 2019 or 2020 would be YUUUGE as far as inspiring shallow, "Murica! FOOK YEAH!" patriotism throughout the country. Not very likely to happen, but...

Also, wartime Presidents usually get re-elected. So if a serious shooting war were to happen in this age on his watch, I tend to think he'd be safe.

Those blue collar factory jobs that he promised would stay and/or return though? Or how promised that not only would everyone utilizing Obamacare get to keep their coverage, but that it would be better & cheaper? Those are the lies that Democrats really need to hammer away at for the next 3 years.

Agree on war-time. I would not be surprised at a "Wag The Dog" war, although, yes, ISIS is real. He'd magnify it more than he has already.

Friggin' A.....I can't wait to watch the next House Of Cards to watch something more believable......that's so sad. Truth.

[The Rube]

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What specific issues currently being pursued by the right do you think the left should be listening to?

One of the big ones is illegal immigrants. I'm all for legal immigrants. Come on in, it's a great country! As sad as it is, I'm becoming more of a fan of the Israeli-style TSA profiling. Yes, it will offend some, but it's better than the BS we have now at our airports. I like the wall idea, but it's not feasible, and while it may stop some illegal immigrants, it won't stop the cartels (which was a secondary feature that was promoted).

The health care thing...I will admit that is an issue where I have no idea on an answer. Very complex, many laws pertaining to this and that, and privatization, etc....I wouldn't know where to begin.

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One of the big ones is illegal immigrants. I'm all for legal immigrants. Come on in, it's a great country! As sad as it is, I'm becoming more of a fan of the Israeli-style TSA profiling. Yes, it will offend some, but it's better than the BS we have now at our airports. I like the wall idea, but it's not feasible, and while it may stop some illegal immigrants, it won't stop the cartels (which was a secondary feature that was promoted).

The health care thing...I will admit that is an issue where I have no idea on an answer. Very complex, many laws pertaining to this and that, and privatization, etc....I wouldn't know where to begin.

Some of us know you work a good blue collar job that is becoming increasingly rare. It's understandable you'd have concerns about illegal immigration. We all know that some illegal immigrants, especially the field workers, are often paid under the table in cash (the ones that aren't are using a fake/stolen SN, and therefore are at least having taxes withheld). That said, are you aware that there are large groups of farmers (especially farmers in the South) who have gone public with their concerns about labor shortages in the wake of Trump's immigration policies? I know you aren't stupid, so imagine what that means for the price of our groceries. Not to mention restaurant labor (which I know is a luxury good, but still).

You can argue these businesses should be hiring legal labor, and that's true, but...American citizens and green card holders are no longer doing this sort of back-breaking 'picker' work for the minimum wage (or less, if illegal) that is offered, even during times of recession. So, how do you solve that, while keeping the owners happy and 'reasonably' profitable? Be cruel and end welfare because it supposedly "encourages job seeking" (despite the fact that fraud is very rare, and most recipients would rather not be on it)? Also, who defines what is "reasonable" to owners before they just bug out and/or move operations elsewhere? The workers? The government? The owners? You and I, sitting at our computers?

[The Rube]

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If eliminating illegals raises prices, so be it. I see that many cities are demanding the $15/hr minimum wage...well, we can solve that by eliminating cheap labor. To paraphrase Office Space, the glitch will be fixed. I don't condone ELIMINATING welfare, as there are those who do need it. However, I think it needs to be a little more strict, so that more folks don't end up there.

Both these issues do go hand in hand. I may be rather optimistic, but I think if you fix one, the other will also get fixed.

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If eliminating illegals raises prices, so be it. I see that many cities are demanding the $15/hr minimum wage...well, we can solve that by eliminating cheap labor.

McDonald's and others have already been working on automation to eliminate cashiers, and even burger flippers. You can also see it in many Panera cafes, with the tablet ordering systems that have popped up in the last few years. Virtually all of the major "fast casual" chains (not McD, BK, or Wendy's) now take online orders for pickup or delivery. Some local restaurants are now using Eat24 or BeyondMenu to take orders.

The era of the "unskilled" worker is drawing to a close, and much faster than most of us would like.

[The Rube]

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McDonald's and others have already been working on automation to eliminate cashiers, and even burger flippers. You can also see it in many Panera cafes, with the tablet ordering systems that have popped up in the last few years. Virtually all of the major fast food chains now take online orders for pickup or delivery. Some local restaurants are now using Eat24 or BeyondMenu to take orders.

The era of the "unskilled" worker is drawing to a close, and much faster than most of us would like.

That is the flipside to the debate, and it is sad. Personally I refuse to use self-checkout at grocery stores, which is becoming more common around the MSP area.

1. I expect lower prices if I'm checking out my own groceries (yeah, like that will happen) so.....see (2)
2. I want that checkout person to be needed for a job. Honest living. Can't argue with that.

[FlagDUDE08]

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If you're going to do a false flag, you gotta do better than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1_n3Zu_Ds

[FlagDUDE08]

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McDonald's and others have already been working on automation to eliminate cashiers, and even burger flippers. You can also see it in many Panera cafes, with the tablet ordering systems that have popped up in the last few years. Virtually all of the major "fast casual" chains (not McD, BK, or Wendy's) now take online orders for pickup or delivery. Some local restaurants are now using Eat24 or BeyondMenu to take orders.

The era of the "unskilled" worker is drawing to a close, and much faster than most of us would like.

I believe this same argument happened 120 years ago, reference "Industrial Revolution". The question is: With said automation, what do we create from that basis?

Many have said the computer programming industry would be made obsolete by computers themselves. For assembly languages and basic operations, yes it has. However, we've taken that and created a more complex computing environment, where we can yap on a message board, use complex gaming applications, spend all day watching YouTube videos, and so on.

Humans thrived in the Industrial Revolution by adapting and evolving their minds. Resiliency towards happiness is one of the most fascinating characteristics of our species, and I have every confidence that we will persevere.

[FlagDUDE08]

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If eliminating illegals raises prices, so be it. I see that many cities are demanding the $15/hr minimum wage...well, we can solve that by eliminating cheap labor. To paraphrase Office Space, the glitch will be fixed. I don't condone ELIMINATING welfare, as there are those who do need it. However, I think it needs to be a little more strict, so that more folks don't end up there.

Both these issues do go hand in hand. I may be rather optimistic, but I think if you fix one, the other will also get fixed.

Any "fix" must involve deflation. The nominal rising of costs from ALL angles is the true elephant in the room. Heck, get back on the gold standard if you must, or put some sort of hard limit on M1 and reserves. Adding more wage floors simply compounds the problem, as much as it has been packaged to make the sheep think they're getting benefit.

[Handyman]

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I guess I just need to give up then if I am supposed to accept that those who hate gays or Muslims or Catholics or communists or atheists or anything else that a whole mess of trump supporters hate are thoughts as valid as those I hold.

That, my friends, is a crock of 5h!t. At some point people need to suffer the consequences of their wrong-headedness and downright hateful ways. I refuse to normalize hateful thinking in a misguided aim at trying to be "fair and balanced."

So you want to punish people for their beliefs. How very Trumpian of you...

You dont have to accept their vile hate, but you have to accept that they are allowed to hate. The Dems just need to walk away from them.

[Handyman]

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Slappy did nail it.

I doubt I could have said it better.

I prob agree that the 2018 is a lost cause....however, 2020 gives enough time to find the right candidate, a good candidate, because (and man, I hope this is true) a Trump re-elect SHOULD be dam near impossible.

Edit: I know I couldn't have said it better. Re: Slappy.

How is 2018 a lost cause? The entire House is up for re-election and plenty of R seats are in play. That is just foolish to think.

[unofan]

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How is 2018 a lost cause? The entire House is up for re-election and plenty of R seats are in play. That is just foolish to think.

The senate is a lost cause, there's only something like 9 GOP seats up out of the 33 races, and only 1 or 2 of those 9 are in swing states.

The house is most definitely in play.