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  • #976
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Yeah, words matter. That's why every time you say that he pays more every one of Trump's voters believes his tax cut is in their best interest. You can't fight stupidity with intelligence. We've tried that and it fails EVERY FRICKEN TIME.
    republicans that aren't rich are dumb, otherwise they wouldn't be republicans.

    I know people that are convinced they (well their kids) are going to benefit from the repeal of the estate tax even though the value of their estate isn't even close to the threshold

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    • #977
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

      Originally posted by BassAle View Post
      republicans that aren't rich are dumb, otherwise they wouldn't be republicans.

      I know people that are convinced they (well their kids) are going to benefit from the repeal of the estate tax even though the value of their estate isn't even close to the threshold
      *sigh*
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      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
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      • #978
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

        Originally posted by BassAle View Post
        republicans that aren't rich are dumb, otherwise they wouldn't be republicans.
        Even Republicans who are rich are dumb. If you destroy the planet there's nowhere to keep all your stuff.

        Imagine if real wages had kept growing from the 70s through now the way they did from the 30s through the 70s. Just imagine how rich shareholders and business owners would be now. In real assets, too, not just quack accounting.

        Sadly, the only people who benefit from Republican economics are the rent-seeking rich who are incapable of thriving in a true free market with well-paid, well-informed customers. It's a mechanism for freezing social mobility and ensuring that nth generation heirs never drop back into the gen pop due to their incompetence. And the price of that is the entire American economy, not to mention the happiness and in many cases the actual lives and safety of hundreds of millions of people.

        And all this happens in a democratic state -- people vote for it. There is absolutely no reason we couldn't restore the 1950 tax rates today. All we need are the votes.

        Last edited by Kepler; 10-17-2017, 09:45 AM.
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        • #979
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

          Originally posted by walrus View Post
          Yeah, saying I pay more taxes than Mitt is ridiculous.
          Why?

          Unless you are a millionaire, 1) you pay a higher rate than that Romney, and 2) as a percentage of how much you actually live on is even a higher rate than that.

          Which is the entire point that people have- rich don't even NEED a break- they don't spend money like poor or middle class- so they have no real need for more money via tax breaks. And it can be said that this accumulation of wealth is bad, because all it does is take money out of the circulation in the economy.

          Just because in absolute $$ you don't' pay more than Mitt doesn't mean you are not harmed a LOT more than Mitt WRT the impact on your economy for taxes.

          (No need to really bring up that most of what Mitt brings in isn't even earned through hard work- it's just luck in finding people who are willing to pay him more for stuff he bought. Again, no real impact on the overall economy- bad way to earn money)

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          • #980
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

            Originally posted by BassAle View Post
            republicans that aren't rich are dumb, otherwise they wouldn't be republicans.

            I know people that are convinced they (well their kids) are going to benefit from the repeal of the estate tax even though the value of their estate isn't even close to the threshold
            What's funny about that- you have to be part of the sub 1% for it to really matter. Right now, it's $5M individual, $10M couple. And to amass that much money in a lifetime, including taking money out post retirement, takes a lot of income. Being honest, we are in the top 2%, and won't even come close to that.

            Lots of wealth that is just transferred is bad. It keeps money that does is already not in circulation WRT to spending and being a consumer out of the economy. It would do far more for the economy to take $1M and give it to 1000 people who make less than $50k/year than keep it tied up.

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            • #981
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Even Republicans who are rich are dumb. If you destroy the planet there's nowhere to keep all your stuff.

              Imagine if real wages had kept growing from the 70s through now the way they did from the 30s through the 70s. Just imagine how rich shareholders and business owners would be now. In real assets, too, not just quack accounting.

              Sadly, the only people who benefit from Republican economics are the rent-seeking rich who are incapable of thriving in a true free market with well-paid, well-informed customers. It's a mechanism for freezing social mobility and ensuring that nth generation heirs never drop back into the gen pop due to their incompetence. And the price of that is the entire American economy, not to mention the happiness and in many cases the actual lives and safety of hundreds of millions of people.

              And all this happens in a democratic state -- people vote for it. There is absolutely no reason we couldn't restore the 1950 tax rates today. All we need are the votes.

              Those historical rates are misleading as they're strictly nominal, not effective rates. Nobody was paying 91% of their last dollar earned in taxes, not when they could deduct their rug or lamp shades as home improvement expenses. Find a historical analysis of top-earning individual effective rates, and the graph will look much different, much more consistent. They're still paying less now, as a rate, than prior, but it's not such a drastic change.
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              • #982
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                Those historical rates are misleading as they're strictly nominal, not effective rates. Nobody was paying 91% of their last dollar earned in taxes, not when they could deduct their rug or lamp shades as home improvement expenses. Find a historical analysis of top-earning individual effective rates, and the graph will look much different, much more consistent. They're still paying less now, as a rate, than prior, but it's not such a drastic change.
                This is a greatly overblown criticism. Hauser's Law is bunk.
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                • #983
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                  PA gets its reward.

                  OH, MI, and WI also f-cked. Clever lads.
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                  • #984
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                    This is known as "Saving Your Own A ss"

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/u...subsidies.html
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                    • #985
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                      Originally posted by Rover View Post
                      This is known as "Saving Your Own A ss"

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/u...subsidies.html
                      “It is a short-term solution,” he said, adding that the long-term solution is to issue “block grants” to states to help people buy private insurance.
                      Another lie. Block Grants don't solve anything. What is the solution? He doesn't know. He doesn't care to know. But, you'll vote for him anyway cause he'll lie to you and say "Block Grants" over and over again while Paul Ryan wets his pants.
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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #986
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                        Originally posted by Rover View Post
                        This is known as "Saving Your Own A ss"

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/u...subsidies.html
                        From the article:

                        Mr. Alexander said that in addition to funding the payments to insurers, the deal would also give states “more flexibility in the variety of choices they can give to consumers,”
                        Translation for red states: yes to Viagra, no to birth control or breast cancer screenings
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                        • #987
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          Another lie. Block Grants don't solve anything. .
                          Sure they do! You can use health care dollars to pay for tax cuts for the rich!
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                          • #988
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            Sure they do! You can use health care dollars to pay for tax cuts for the rich!
                            If they get another SCOTUS justice the state will start reserving medical care to white Christians.
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                            • #989
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                              Yet another last-ditch effort to tackle the nation’s health-care system stalled within hours of its release by a bipartisan pair of senators Tuesday, with President Trump sending mixed signals and Republicans either declining to endorse the proposal or outright opposing it.
                              Here's how bipartisanship goes with Republicans in charge.

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.75c3762bf173
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                              • #990
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                                Didnt they have an agreement yesterday? What did a bunch of Ole Whitey's change their mind?
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