The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

[Drew S.]

Collins is incredibly safe in her seat. She is insanely popular in Maine. She is probably going to run for governor though. She's getting old and has probably had enough with the GOP nutjobs in Washington.

She has much more to worry about in a primary than general election. I wouldn't be shocked to see Brakey win in 2018 and LePage win in 2020. I think the people who are getting screwed by Obamacare(they exist) are much more passionate about voting than those who are benefiting. In a lot of ways I think the vote failing will be a boon to republicans next year. The bill wouldn't have helped many people had it passed and now they can still use it as an issue to run on.

[Handyman]

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The Republican party is a machine for stealing public assets and handing them to the 1%. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop, ever.

That isnt what I said...but they needed to pass the repeal to get tax cuts through. (which is why Mitch and Co. are ticked and worked so hard) Now they have to go back to the drawing board.

Meanwhile the House just pledged $1.6 billion on the Wall Mexico was supposed to pay for. Gotta love the Party of Fiscal Responsibility!

[Kepler]

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That isnt what I said...but they needed to pass the repeal to get tax cuts through.

Yes, but rust never sleeps. If not this path then another.

[Handyman]

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She has much more to worry about in a primary than general election. I wouldn't be shocked to see Brakey win in 2018 and LePage win in 2020. I think the people who are getting screwed by Obamacare(they exist) are much more passionate about voting than those who are benefiting. In a lot of ways I think the vote failing will be a boon to republicans next year. The bill wouldn't have helped many people had it passed and now they can still use it as an issue to run on.

No it isnt a positive for the Republicans. You sound like fans of teams that lose spinning how a loss is actually a positive thing. It might rally the base but only for the primaries they already vote in the general. At best it might cause some complacent R senators to go down. This and the Trump attack on Alaska will keep the Purple States Purple.

[Handyman]

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Yes, but rust never sleeps. If not this path then another.

Oh I know...doing it this way was dumb anyways.

Hell even if the Skinny Repeal had passed the Dems could have challenged it over the ridiculous Planned Parenthood portion. That violated the rules of Reconciliation.

[ScoobyDoo]

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That isnt what I said...but they needed to pass the repeal to get tax cuts through. (which is why Mitch and Co. are ticked and worked so hard) Now they have to go back to the drawing board.

Meanwhile the House just pledged $1.6 billion on the Wall Mexico was supposed to pay for. Gotta love the Party of Fiscal Responsibility!

Yes, and that money was passed by the House because Trump through Transgenders under the bus. Gotta love the GOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kepler]

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The bill wouldn't have helped many people had it passed

LOL. Understatement of the Year.

and now they can still use it as an issue to run on.

No. The situation has changed a lot. They used to be able to go to that well because OBAMACARE ARGLE BARGLE, but now even the dullest knife in the drawer realizes that repeal will throw millions of people and their children off insurance and effectively end their health care.

The GOP needed to pull this off without any public debate because the facts kill them. They didn't accomplish that. This fiasco educated a lot of people about the actuals of Obamacare and Medicare, and that is very bad news for the GOP.

Yes, they can still use it as an irritant to get Fox suckers to donate money and time and votes, but the pool of those suckers shrinks every day.

The path forward for the GOP is to use Obamacare that way on the sly with their sheep, but with the larger electorate start darkly warning about the Democrats and TEH SOCIALISM!!! of Single Payer. There is still such global electoral ignorance about Medicare for All that they can squeeze another few cycles of right wing poutrage out of that before health care goes the way of social security and they have to find a new whipping boy.

[Handyman]

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Well what really killed them is that even GOP Governors didnt support straight repeal in many states. Gutting Medicaid and Medicare doesnt hurt poor Darky Jackson...it hurts Grandma Gladys and Grandpa Veteran. When Old Whiteys get screwed they fight back with power. The second the AARP came out against this the GOP should have walked away.

[alfablue]

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She has much more to worry about in a primary than general election. I wouldn't be shocked to see Brakey win in 2018 and LePage win in 2020. I think the people who are getting screwed by Obamacare(they exist) are much more passionate about voting than those who are benefiting. In a lot of ways I think the vote failing will be a boon to republicans next year. The bill wouldn't have helped many people had it passed and now they can still use it as an issue to run on.

If that were actually true, it would have passed.

There would have been no reason to listen to the town halls, then.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Well what really killed them is that even GOP Governors didnt support straight repeal in many states. Gutting Medicaid and Medicare doesnt hurt poor Darky Jackson...it hurts Grandma Gladys and Grandpa Veteran. When Old Whiteys get screwed they fight back with power. The second the AARP came out against this the GOP should have walked away.

It will be very interesting where they go from here.

[jerphisch]

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The Democrats and the Republican Moderates could form a working majority and neuter the orcs. They would each get credit for professionalism and compromise and moving the country forward, and that would leave Hate Radio and Fox sputtering out in the cold with the Freedumb Caucus.

Are you drunk? There is no way they would get praise from the R side, Hate Radio and Fox would have a field day and moderate Rs would all get primaried from the far right.

[alfablue]

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Are you drunk? There is no way they would get praise from the R side, Hate Radio and Fox would have a field day and moderate Rs would all get primaried from the far right.

OR, the far right will get primaried by moderates because of what has come out re:ACA.

We will see.

[jerphisch]

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OR, the far right will get primaried by moderates because of what has come out re:ACA.

We will see.

Please see Trump's approval from his voters, they aren't turning.

[alfablue]

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Please see Trump's approval from his voters, they aren't turning.

I know. And they don't constitute a majority, either. Remember that many of dumps voters were voting against hillary.

And don't forget the very angry town halls.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I know. And they don't constitute a majority, either. Remember that many of dumps voters were voting against hillary.

And don't forget the very angry town halls.

It appears he and the GOP have a locked in ~40%. That's pretty scary. I don't think Democrats have that cause too many Democrats are wishy washy or will vote for the "Nader" of the day.